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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2012, 03:43:36 PM »
The mandate itself (not taking in account all other parts of the law) has no cost for people already covered by insurance (and it'll only reduce the premiums), and for people who don't have, its the service they'll end up paying anyway, the government is just requiring to pay them in advance for the benefit of 'we as a nation'.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2012, 03:53:07 PM »
It'll put the insurance companies out of business! And just how will it reduce premiums??
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »
Can you explain me how it'll get the insurance companies out of business while there will be more premium payers?
The more people that pay into the pool, the less the cost per person.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #123 on: June 28, 2012, 04:04:21 PM »
No one can compete with the government. They don't have to worry about things like profit. The companies going out of biz is inevitable.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #124 on: June 28, 2012, 04:06:33 PM »
Again you say a simple lie:
The individual mandate is not that the government is running the Healthcare system.
I won't repeat it again.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #125 on: June 28, 2012, 04:07:08 PM »
From Twitter:
 I'm going to write off my parking tickets as deductions, since they're apparently a tax....
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #126 on: June 28, 2012, 04:09:40 PM »
Again you say a simple lie:
The individual mandate is not that the government is running the Healthcare system.
I won't repeat it again.
Say it till you're blue in the face. Think for 5 min and realize it inevitably leads to single payer.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2012, 04:20:25 PM »
I think that the pre existing condition inclusion of the act is the one that will do the most damage. Now people just have to pay the tax/penalty and not get insurance and then just get insurance when they need it. This will lead to insurance bankruptcies
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #128 on: June 28, 2012, 04:48:37 PM »
the worst part is when business lay off people because they wont be able to afford healthcare for their employees

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2012, 05:01:21 PM »
I find myself (oddly) on the side of meshugener here.  The mandate REDUCES the rates of insurance premiums because the insurance companies will no longer have to shift the cost of providing care to the uninsured onto the insured.  As for the preexisting condition requirement, the damage is only in the short term because by 2016, everyone will have to have insurance from birth anyway. 

The damaging sections of the bill are the arduous coverage requirements placed on insurers and the expansion of medicaid.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2012, 05:10:52 PM »
I find myself (oddly) on the side of meshugener here.  The mandate REDUCES the rates of insurance premiums because the insurance companies will no longer have to shift the cost of providing care to the uninsured onto the insured.  As for the preexisting condition requirement, the damage is only in the short term because by 2016, everyone will have to have insurance from birth anyway. 

The damaging sections of the bill are the arduous coverage requirements placed on insurers and the expansion of medicaid.
You can't just say: pay! and expect people to pay. The insurance companies will be hit with expenses they can't handle and shut down. That will lead to single payer which will lead to government run healthcare.
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Re: Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2012, 05:53:47 PM »
As for the preexisting condition requirement, the damage is only in the short term because by 2016, everyone will have to have insurance from birth anyway. 
Unless they pay the tax/penalty
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Re: Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #132 on: June 28, 2012, 06:30:44 PM »
Unless they pay the tax/penalty
Which will be raised once everyone is on single payer.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2012, 09:23:48 PM »
The funny thing about this ruling is that it was essentially a daas yochid.  4 justices didn't think it was a tax, 4 justices probably didn't even consider whether is was a tax.  Roberts alone decided it was a tax, and his sole opinion will affect all cases under the taxing power going forward.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2012, 11:20:59 PM »
Wow! What a surprise!
Thank you Justice Roberts!
And thank you Mr. Bush for appointing him to the court....

Meshugener, you are clearly a meshugener.

I want to lay out a few facts for you:

  • I, the tax paying citizen am not required to pay for your medical costs, just as much as I am not required to pay for your shampoo and underwear. YOU need to find a way to pay for it, and if you can't, then get a better job, go to a Gemach, or go beg in the streets. I don't have to work my butt off to pay for your colonoscopy. (But as a Jew, if you asked me for Tzedaka, I would gladly give you) Medicaid is already insane, and this is even crazier.
  • Yes, the healthcare system is screwed up big time, but the way to fix it is NOT to tax the middle-class and the struggling small businesses. Rather, the root of the problem is incredibly ridiculous lawsuits against doctors and phamaceutical companies, which force the doc's to charge insane amounts of money for short visits, in order to keep up with their insane physician's insurance. If Obama wants to solve this crisis, he should regulate these lawsuits to bring down the costs, not TAKE MY MONEY AND GIVE IT TO YOU!
  • Did you say that you are now covered under your father's insurance? Well, who is going to pay for that?

What Obama did now was simple: take money from people who work, and give it to people who either don't work, or make very little.