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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2012, 11:29:44 PM »
Democrats say: Sheli Shelcha, v'Shelcha Sheli.

Republicans say: Sheli Sheli, v'Shelcha Shelcha.

Adapted from OU.org:

The Dor HaHaflaga, the Generation of the Dispersal, was punished because it couldn't distinguish between the individual and the community. They said, "Sheli shelcha v'shelcha sheli," "What is mine is yours and what is yours is mine." The denial of the concept of individual property is the attitude, according to the Mishna, of the "am ha'aretz," the "proletariat." They had unity of a kind, but it was the mindless anti-human unity illustrated by the Midrash which says that the laborers on the Tower of Bavel were more disturbed by the loss of a brick than the loss of a human being. Theirs was the unity of the totalitarian State; in order for humanity to progress, they had to be dispersed.

The citizens of Sodom and Amorah had the attitude of "Sheli sheli v'shelcha shelcha," "What is mine is mine and what is yours is yours." Now there is an opinion in the Mishna that this is a "midah beinonit," a "reasonable attitude," and indeed much of Seder Nezikin is concerned with the protection of individual property rights. But these people went to a terrible extreme. They set up a rigid distinction between the "I" and the "Thou," such that any attempt to reach out and assist the "other" brought forth condemnation and murderous outrage from the Sodomite and Amorites.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2012, 11:52:00 PM »
The individual mandate is not that you should pay my bills, its the opposite: you should pay your own bills. Thr only way to make sure you pay your own medical expenses and you don't show up at the hospital already sick without any way to pay for your care (which have to be done no matter your financial abilities at that time) is to have you pay for it in advance. That's all.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #137 on: June 28, 2012, 11:56:09 PM »
The individual mandate is not that you should pay my bills, its the opposite: you should pay your own bills. Thr only way to make sure you pay your own medical expenses and you don't show up at the hospital already sick without any way to pay for your care (which have to be done no matter your financial abilities at that time) is to have you pay for it in advance. That's all.

You didn't answer my question. Who is paying for your extended stay on your father's insurance?

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #138 on: June 29, 2012, 12:13:07 AM »
My love to the law is because of the mandate and pre existing condition rule.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #139 on: June 29, 2012, 12:14:57 AM »
Justice Ginsburg wrote: "Although an individual might buy a
car or a crown of broccoli one day,
there is no certainty she will ever do
so, And if
she eventually wants a car or has a
craving for broccoli, she will be
obliged to pay at the counter before
receiving the vehicle or nourishment.
She will get no free ride or food, at
the expense of another consumer
forced to pay an inflated price."
Short and clear, my point.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #140 on: June 29, 2012, 12:22:56 AM »
Justice Ginsburg wrote: "Although an individual might buy a
car or a crown of broccoli one day,
there is no certainty she will ever do
so, And if
she eventually wants a car or has a
craving for broccoli, she will be
obliged to pay at the counter before
receiving the vehicle or nourishment.
She will get no free ride or food, at
the expense of another consumer
forced to pay an inflated price."
Short and clear, my point.

Obviously, you are dodging the question, even after multiple members on this forum asked you who is paying for your stay on your father's insurance.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #142 on: June 29, 2012, 12:57:57 AM »
Obviously, you are dodging the question, even after multiple members on this forum asked you who is paying for your stay on your father's insurance.
The ones that are paying are the same ones that pay for the aid to Israel. You sure you want to go there?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #143 on: June 29, 2012, 01:13:39 AM »
The ones that are paying are the same ones that pay for the aid to Israel. You sure you want to go there?
And aid to Egypt and to Palestinians.....

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #144 on: June 29, 2012, 01:28:23 AM »
The ones that are paying are the same ones that pay for the aid to Israel. You sure you want to go there?

Absolutely, let's go there.

How much aid is going to Israel? How much aid is going to healthcare?

About 3 billion goes to Israel (that's 1/10 of 1%), and the majority of this money is used to buy military equipment FROM THE U.S. So, the money is essentially coming back into the U.S. economy.

Now, how much goes to healthcare? Somewhere around $300 Billion...

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #145 on: June 29, 2012, 01:47:48 AM »
Absolutely, let's go there.
So you are for cutting all aid to Israel?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #146 on: June 29, 2012, 01:48:41 AM »
And aid to Egypt and to Palestinians.....
Taxpayers like everything else.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #147 on: June 29, 2012, 02:05:42 AM »
Insurance industry warns of higher rates, as ObamaCare supporters see long-term fix

The insurance industry would figure out how any ruling (in either direction) translates into higher premiums... :'(
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #148 on: June 29, 2012, 03:06:07 AM »
So you are for cutting all aid to Israel?
Hope you voted for Ron Paul. He sounds right up your alley regarding Israel.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #149 on: June 29, 2012, 03:14:33 AM »
Hope you voted for Ron Paul. He sounds right up your alley regarding Israel.
So you feel you know my stance on Israel because of the questions I ask?
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