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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #150 on: June 29, 2012, 03:38:09 AM »
So you feel you know my stance on Israel because of the questions I ask?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #151 on: June 29, 2012, 03:43:38 AM »
Perhaps
Based on your Ron Paul comment you would be wrong.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #152 on: June 29, 2012, 09:43:10 AM »
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Again, what I'm defending here is the Individual Mandate and the ban to deny coverage for a person with pre existing condition.
The other parts of the law are not necessarily tied to these 2 parts.
I was just saying as a fact how I benefit from the ACA, maybe that part shouldn't be enacted, maybe. But I'm not arguing for that part.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #153 on: June 29, 2012, 10:32:49 AM »
And about the costs you are talking about, here's a good point:
 the budget office's estimate of
the cost over the next decade of
Obamacare's "coverage provisions" -
basically, the subsidies needed to
make insurance affordable for all - is
about only a third of the cost of the
tax cuts, overwhelmingly favoring the
wealthy, that Mitt Romney is
proposing over the same period. True,
Mr. Romney says that he would offset
that cost, but he has failed to provide
any plausible explanation of how he'd
do that. The Affordable Care Act, by
contrast, is fully paid for, with an
explicit combination of tax increases
and spending cuts elsewhere.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #154 on: June 29, 2012, 10:55:05 AM »
One of the ways that they were planning on paying for Obamacare originally was by making every business transaction over $600.00 require a 1099. The government stuffed this into the healthcare bill because they figured there is a lot of unreported income that they can get their hands on and give penalties and fines to whoever doesn't comply. That would have meant every order from Staples, you hire someone to fix an air conditioner, call a plumber etc... requires a 1099. They were going to try to drown us in paperwork.

For the time being they repealed it. But here is proof that they did not believe this can pay for itself. They will tax us one way or another to pay for it.

We are going to end up like Canada.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #155 on: June 29, 2012, 10:55:44 AM »
Part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #158 on: July 01, 2012, 11:29:01 AM »
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/30/obamas-ironically-prescient-speech-opposing-john-roberts-nomination-to-the-supreme-court/
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #159 on: July 01, 2012, 04:20:56 PM »
For any who read the opinion, this article gives a fascinating backstory that led the decision the way it came down.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/

Most interestingly:
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. . . the conservatives handed [Roberts] their own message which, as one justice put it, essentially translated into, "You're on your own."

The conservatives refused to join any aspect of his opinion, including sections with which they agreed, such as his analysis imposing limits on Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, the sources said.

Instead, the four joined forces and crafted a highly unusual, unsigned joint dissent. They deliberately ignored Roberts' decision, the sources said, as if they were no longer even willing to engage with him in debate.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #160 on: July 01, 2012, 08:10:46 PM »
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/in-health-care-ruling-roberts-steals-a-move-from-john-marshalls-playbook/259121/?google_editors_picks=true
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/30/obamas-ironically-prescient-speech-opposing-john-roberts-nomination-to-the-supreme-court/

Fantastic finds, both of them. The second one is just an interesting footnote, but the first one... wow! If that was actually Roberts' strategy, that's a seriously sneaky genius move. Obviously it remains to be seen how this plays into each campaign going forward, but it has the potential to make the ruling even more important than it looks now.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #161 on: July 01, 2012, 11:12:17 PM »
Fantastic finds, both of them. The second one is just an interesting footnote, but the first one... wow! If that was actually Roberts' strategy, that's a seriously sneaky genius move. Obviously it remains to be seen how this plays into each campaign going forward, but it has the potential to make the ruling even more important than it looks now.
When I read it initially I doubted that Roberts would actually pull something like that.  But the more I think about his judicial opinion, the more asinine his reasoning seems.  The idea that a piece of legislation can be interpreted in a way inconsistent with many of its provisions (as the dissent pointed out) is against the canons of interpretation, which is why every judge federal judge at every level who considered this case disagreed with that reading.  So I'm actually inclined to believe that this article is on to something. 
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #162 on: July 03, 2012, 06:46:44 PM »
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/in-health-care-ruling-roberts-steals-a-move-from-john-marshalls-playbook/259121/?google_editors_picks=true
I just heard an astounding piece of information that adds to Roberts's brilliance.  A consequence of the law being labelled a tax is that it is reconcilable -- meaning that it does not require a filibuster to overturn it--a simple majority will do. Mitch McConnell pointed it out.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #163 on: July 03, 2012, 06:50:12 PM »
I just heard an astounding piece of information that adds to Roberts's brilliance.  A consequence of the law being labelled a tax is that it is reconcilable -- meaning that it does not require a filibuster to overturn it--a simple majority will do. Mitch McConnell pointed it out.

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The libs will fillibuster. you need 3/5 of the senate to break a filibuster
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #164 on: July 03, 2012, 06:58:19 PM »
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The libs will fillibuster. you need 3/5 of the senate to break a filibuster
Right. I mixed up the term.
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