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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #180 on: July 04, 2012, 04:00:05 PM »
Very 'lomdiesh' but bad math: the one who can afford to pay $300-$400 a month for premiums, can't afford $40,000 once he get injured or a broken leg.
LOL! $40,000? It's more like $1500
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #181 on: July 04, 2012, 04:01:50 PM »
Romney, in Shift, Says Health Care Mandate Is a Tax

Given his Massachusetts background, he needs to tread carefully in how he leverages this against Obama.
Finally he makes some sense:

“While I agreed with the dissent, that’s taken over by the fact that the majority of the court said it’s a tax, and therefore it is a tax. They have spoken.”
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #182 on: July 04, 2012, 04:09:51 PM »
@good Sam,
You got me by the word.
How about an appendix surgery and the follow-up care afterwards?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #183 on: July 04, 2012, 04:24:00 PM »
@good Sam,
You got me by the word.
How about an appendix surgery and the follow-up care afterwards?
It's nowhere near $40k but in any event I'll make my point another way:

Those who have income high enough to be within the mandate, who would otherwise get ER care for which they would not pay make up a tiny fraction of the overall amount of unpaid healthcare.  The lion's share is provided to illegal aliens and poor people, and both of these groups are not subject to the mandate.

SO -- the effect of the mandate is primarily to require young healthy people, who will likely not need healthcare and choose to play the odds (which, after all, are in their favor), to pay for the healthcare of illegals, poor people, and people with pre-existing conditions.  This amounts to taking from those who have, to give to those who do not have which is the very essence of socialism. 

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #184 on: July 04, 2012, 04:27:28 PM »
Everyone seems to have a reason why Roberts did what he did. This article is no different. I enjoyed reading it as much as any other well reasoned speculative article. To me that is all it is, nothing more.

My point was never that the article's speculation as to Roberts' reasoning is any more true to the mark than other commentary out there. My point was that the article's speculation as to Roberts' reasoning represents a really cool bit of maneuvering, whether that's what's actually happening or not.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #185 on: July 04, 2012, 04:31:01 PM »
My point was never that the article's speculation as to Roberts' reasoning is any more true to the mark than other commentary out there. My point was that the article's speculation as to Roberts' reasoning represents a really cool bit of maneuvering, whether that's what's actually happening or not.
I agree.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #186 on: July 04, 2012, 04:34:54 PM »
I agree.

And the other mind-blowing thing is the fact that in Marbury vs Madison it was understood that the POTUS would ignore the Supreme Court if they issued the writ. I guess things were different back then, when our country's institutions were still young and the balance of power not as clearly defined.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #187 on: July 04, 2012, 04:59:01 PM »
Until they raise the penalty...
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #188 on: July 05, 2012, 12:31:49 AM »
Until they raise the penalty...
...you mean TAX

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #191 on: July 05, 2012, 11:42:36 PM »
Rudy Giuliani weighed in on Obamacare in enemy territory.  Watch how he addresses the booing crowd

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