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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2012, 02:04:03 PM »
Interesting point that people are mentioning online:

Obama claimed that it is not a tax.

When the SCOTUS heard the case, the first day of oral arguments were discussing if they are allowed to hear the case now - even though it didn't go into effect yet. If it's a tax, they can't due to the Anti-Injunction Act. If it's a penalty, they can hear it now.

With the current ruling that it's a tax, doesn't that mean that they shouldn't be ruling on it now because of the Anti-Injunction Act ???

Will we start a new court case in 2014 against this new tax???

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »
Which we avoided if we could. If the government would de-regulate the insurance industry, healthcare would be affordable!
Now I understand where you are coming from. Do you watch FOX news?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2012, 02:09:55 PM »
Now I understand where you are coming from. Do you watch FOX news?
I don't own a TV. Do you watch everything other then FOX News?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2012, 02:13:49 PM »
Ouch!!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/health-care-ruling-scotus-cnn-gaffe-fox-news-154347515.html

CNN and FOX both initially reported that the mandate had been struck down!

Whoops!!   In the rush to have instant news, they didn't take 2 minutes to listen to the end of the sentence!!

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2012, 02:14:21 PM »
If the government would  properly regulate the insurance industry, healthcare would be affordable!

I work in the industry and regulation is retarded.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »
I don't own a TV. Do you watch everything other then FOX News?
When I want some good laughs I watch FOX and MSNBC. If you want the truth it is somewhere between the two.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #96 on: June 28, 2012, 02:24:19 PM »
I work in the industry and regulation is retarded.
Regulations are like unions. A necessary evil.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2012, 02:25:11 PM »
When I want some good laughs I watch FOX and MSNBC. If you want the truth it is somewhere between the two.
The truth isn't on TV. Fox related media happens is a lot close to the truth. Ratings mean something.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2012, 02:33:42 PM »
Interesting point that people are mentioning online:

Obama claimed that it is not a tax.

When the SCOTUS heard the case, the first day of oral arguments were discussing if they are allowed to hear the case now - even though it didn't go into effect yet. If it's a tax, they can't due to the Anti-Injunction Act. If it's a penalty, they can hear it now.

With the current ruling that it's a tax, doesn't that mean that they shouldn't be ruling on it now because of the Anti-Injunction Act ???

Will we start a new court case in 2014 against this new tax???
The Court dealt with that problem.  It's actually pretty lumdish.

The Anti-Injunction Act was created by Congress, and so can be defined by Congress.  Because Congress in the ACA chose to label the payment as a penalty, it showed its intent that the ACA is not to be within the scope of the Anti-Injunction Act.  But whether it can be considered a tax under Article I of the Constitution cannot be determined by Congress (though Kennedy disagreed with this point).  It is up to the Court to determine whether characteristically, it can be a tax as it was intended in Art. I.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2012, 02:35:00 PM »
Remember, its the conservatives who originally came up with the idea of the individual mandate.
To say the mandate is government-run healthcare is a simple lie, (again, do you watch Fox...)
So its not comparable to other nations who have a national healthcare system.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #100 on: June 28, 2012, 02:37:37 PM »
Remember, its the conservatives who originally came up with the idea of the individual mandate.
To say the mandate is government-run healthcare is a simple lie, (again, do you watch Fox...)
So its not comparable to other nations who have a national healthcare system.
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The individual mandate stands out only because it was the primary grounds for a constitutional challenge.  From a conservative policy-based standpoint, it is far from the most objectionable part of the act.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #101 on: June 28, 2012, 02:40:46 PM »
Remember, its the conservatives who originally came up with the idea of the individual mandate.
To say the mandate is government-run healthcare is a simple lie, (again, do you watch Fox...)
So its not comparable to other nations who have a national healthcare system.
As your "program" field says: you are on food stamps.
Ever considered getting a job, paying taxes, and then see how you like the new tax?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #102 on: June 28, 2012, 02:43:17 PM »
Aha! You wanna go personal! Too late, don't come up with personal attacks when you don't have anymore logical. Next time do it at the beginning.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #103 on: June 28, 2012, 02:44:02 PM »
Ever considered getting a job, paying taxes, and then see how you like the new tax?
OK, done. Now have three kids between the ages of 21-25 with no insurance and see how you like the new tax. Two sides to every story.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #104 on: June 28, 2012, 02:45:20 PM »
Aha! You wanna go personal! Too late, don't come up with personal attacks when you don't have anymore logical. Next time do it at the beginning.
Logic was throw in your face time and time again. You don't seem to respond to it. (read back the posts before you respond).
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