Author Topic: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court (Read 28746 times)

HelpMe · « **Reply #40 on:** April 03, 2012, 12:21:32 AM »

Quote from: good sam on April 02, 2012, 11:29:24 PM

Is this guy from another planet? What does a (strong?) majority have to do with the Constitution? What if the majority of Congress felt we should have segregated schools?! And should the Justices really consider the "human" element in this "political debate?" This guy is off his rocker!

He is doing what he should be doing.

meshugener · « **Reply #41 on:** April 03, 2012, 08:36:02 AM »

He's just expressing his hopes (which I strongly share) in politician-style lexicon. Nothing funny.

Ergel · « **Reply #42 on:** April 03, 2012, 09:01:51 AM »

As pointed out today in WSJ article he is the first president to do something like this and I find it inappropriate

mercaz1 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 03, 2012, 09:02:38 AM »

Scalia is going to be near my work today. wonder if he will talk about this case at all

meshugener · « **Reply #44 on:** April 03, 2012, 09:12:15 AM »

Rubashkin filed a petition to the supreme court to review his case.

good sam · « **Reply #45 on:** April 03, 2012, 11:10:05 AM »

Quote from: HelpMe on April 03, 2012, 12:21:32 AM

He is doing what he should be doing.

Campaigning?

HelpMe · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2012, 02:49:51 PM »

Quote from: good sam on April 03, 2012, 11:10:05 AM

Campaigning?

Trying to save something he believes in.

good sam · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2012, 02:54:48 PM »

Quote from: HelpMe on April 03, 2012, 02:49:51 PM

Trying to save something he believes in.

His statements sent a chill up my spine. This guy has no concept of limited government powers.

If the Supreme Court overturns obamacare, Obama will try to implement it anyway.

You heard it here first.

HelpMe · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2012, 02:58:05 PM »

Quote from: good sam on April 03, 2012, 02:54:48 PM

His statements sent a chill up my spine. This guy has no concept of limited government powers.

If the Supreme Court overturns obamacare, Obama will try to implement it anyway.

You heard it here first.

He will try and find a way so it won’t be struck down.

AJK · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2012, 05:16:53 PM »

Quote from: good sam on April 03, 2012, 02:54:48 PM

His statements sent a chill up my spine. This guy has no concept of limited government powers.

If the Supreme Court overturns obamacare, Obama will try to implement it anyway.

You heard it here first.

How so?

good sam · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2012, 06:33:28 PM »

Quote from: AJK on April 03, 2012, 05:16:53 PM

How so?

I'm not sure yet.

HelpMe · « **Reply #51 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:20:42 AM »

Quote from: good sam on April 03, 2012, 02:54:48 PM

His statements sent a chill up my spine. This guy has no concept of limited government powers.

At the meeting, Obama said the Supreme Court "is the final say on our Constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. ... I have enormous confidence that in looking at this law, not only is it constitutional, but that the Court is going to exercise its jurisprudence carefully because of the profound power that our Supreme Court has."

AJK · « **Reply #52 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:51:21 AM »

Quote from: good sam on April 03, 2012, 06:33:28 PM

I'm not sure yet.

So what do you mean?

good sam · « **Reply #53 on:** April 04, 2012, 11:30:01 AM »

Quote from: HelpMe on April 04, 2012, 01:20:42 AM

At the meeting, Obama said the Supreme Court "is the final say on our Constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. ... I have enormous confidence that in looking at this law, not only is it constitutional, but that the Court is going to exercise its jurisprudence carefully because of the profound power that our Supreme Court has."

Didn't see that. That makes it a little better.

HelpMe · « **Reply #54 on:** April 04, 2012, 11:35:36 AM »

Quote from: good sam on April 04, 2012, 11:30:01 AM

Didn't see that. That makes it a little better.

Remember he is a politician. It reminds of the old joke. How can you tell when a politician is lying? He lips are moving.

AJK · « **Reply #55 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:04:45 PM »

Benchslap:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/03/judges-order-justice-department-to-clarify-following-obama-remarks-on-health/

good sam · « **Reply #56 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:12:41 PM »

Quote from: good sam on April 03, 2012, 02:54:48 PM

His statements sent a chill up my spine. This guy has no concept of limited government powers.

If the Supreme Court overturns obamacare, Obama will try to implement it anyway.

You heard it here first.

bump

He did it with immigration; he will do with healthcare too. Watch

MarkS · « **Reply #57 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:14:07 AM »

Wow!! So the individual mandate was upheld... as a tax!

So basically, they agree that the government can't tell you that you must get healthcare .... but, they can say that if you don't- you will have to pay a $2,000 a year special tax.
So if you don't get insurance, they can't press any criminal charges, but they can tax you because they can tax whatever they want.
It's similar to smoking. They can't tell you not to smoke (and indeed it's not illegal to smoke). But they can say that if you do - you must pay a tax.

What's interesting is that when Obama marketed the law - he insisted that it's NOT a tax!!!!
And it turns out that the only way it's constitutional is as a tax!!

The one good thing that comes from all this is that now the republicans have great talking points for the coming election.....

meshugener · « **Reply #58 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:23:26 AM »

Wow! What a surprise!
Thank you Justice Roberts!
And thank you Mr. Bush for appointing him to the court....

michael · « **Reply #59 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:35:07 AM »

Interestingly enough, I was talking to a right-wing constitutional expert a few months ago, and he told me that it's most likely that Roberts would switch sides, based on his jurisprudential history. He said there's almost no chance of Kennedy voting with the left on this one.

He was right! And he's probably fuming now as well.