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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2012, 01:32:59 PM »
Wouldn't reduce the costs as much as the current law.
Why are you all so scared?
You sound like Palin dogs.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2012, 01:35:15 PM »
If you want to bring down costs, try tort reform. Limit lawsuits... etc...

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That, and proper regulation of healthcare/insurance and incentivizing lower costs will go much further than any law in lowering our collective healthcare costs.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2012, 01:36:00 PM »
You never can. Whats your point?
That putting a limit on lawsuits also puts a limit on what a persons life is worth. Catch 22.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2012, 01:39:05 PM »
That putting a limit on lawsuits also puts a limit on what a persons life is worth. Catch 22.

A person's life is priceless, and careless doctors should have their licenses revoked and/or criminal penalties (probation/jail etc.), the current system takes the liability off doctors and turns it into a numbers game where the insurance industry double dips and robs us blind.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2012, 01:44:47 PM »
The current law is the biggest tax increase in world history.

The entire thing has been one lie after another.
Part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2012, 01:47:55 PM »
The entire thing has been one lie after another.
The problem is trying to figure out which side is telling the lies.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2012, 01:51:06 PM »
Wouldn't reduce the costs as much as the current law.
Why are you all so scared?
You sound like Palin dogs.
The current law costs more then the Iraq war ever cost!! We are scared because the bill is a giant mess that will make healthcare as organized as the DMV.
"Palin dogs"? seriously? from the party of "civility"?)?)?)
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2012, 01:53:11 PM »
The problem is trying to figure out which side is telling the lies.
Look at every other country that has government healthcare. See how well it works out.

The bill was sold to us as "no tax increase". The court this morning said that's the only reason they passed it.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2012, 01:57:01 PM »
Look at every other country that has government healthcare. See how well it works out.
As long as I have been alive this country has always had some type of government run health care.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2012, 02:01:27 PM »
As long as I have been alive this country has always had some type of government run health care.
Which we avoided if we could. If the government would de-regulate the insurance industry, healthcare would be affordable!
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2012, 02:04:03 PM »
Interesting point that people are mentioning online:

Obama claimed that it is not a tax.

When the SCOTUS heard the case, the first day of oral arguments were discussing if they are allowed to hear the case now - even though it didn't go into effect yet. If it's a tax, they can't due to the Anti-Injunction Act. If it's a penalty, they can hear it now.

With the current ruling that it's a tax, doesn't that mean that they shouldn't be ruling on it now because of the Anti-Injunction Act ???

Will we start a new court case in 2014 against this new tax???

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »
Which we avoided if we could. If the government would de-regulate the insurance industry, healthcare would be affordable!
Now I understand where you are coming from. Do you watch FOX news?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2012, 02:09:55 PM »
Now I understand where you are coming from. Do you watch FOX news?
I don't own a TV. Do you watch everything other then FOX News?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2012, 02:13:49 PM »
Ouch!!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/health-care-ruling-scotus-cnn-gaffe-fox-news-154347515.html

CNN and FOX both initially reported that the mandate had been struck down!

Whoops!!   In the rush to have instant news, they didn't take 2 minutes to listen to the end of the sentence!!

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2012, 02:14:21 PM »
If the government would  properly regulate the insurance industry, healthcare would be affordable!

I work in the industry and regulation is retarded.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »
I don't own a TV. Do you watch everything other then FOX News?
When I want some good laughs I watch FOX and MSNBC. If you want the truth it is somewhere between the two.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #96 on: June 28, 2012, 02:24:19 PM »
I work in the industry and regulation is retarded.
Regulations are like unions. A necessary evil.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2012, 02:25:11 PM »
When I want some good laughs I watch FOX and MSNBC. If you want the truth it is somewhere between the two.
The truth isn't on TV. Fox related media happens is a lot close to the truth. Ratings mean something.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2012, 02:33:42 PM »
Interesting point that people are mentioning online:

Obama claimed that it is not a tax.

When the SCOTUS heard the case, the first day of oral arguments were discussing if they are allowed to hear the case now - even though it didn't go into effect yet. If it's a tax, they can't due to the Anti-Injunction Act. If it's a penalty, they can hear it now.

With the current ruling that it's a tax, doesn't that mean that they shouldn't be ruling on it now because of the Anti-Injunction Act ???

Will we start a new court case in 2014 against this new tax???
The Court dealt with that problem.  It's actually pretty lumdish.

The Anti-Injunction Act was created by Congress, and so can be defined by Congress.  Because Congress in the ACA chose to label the payment as a penalty, it showed its intent that the ACA is not to be within the scope of the Anti-Injunction Act.  But whether it can be considered a tax under Article I of the Constitution cannot be determined by Congress (though Kennedy disagreed with this point).  It is up to the Court to determine whether characteristically, it can be a tax as it was intended in Art. I.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2012, 02:35:00 PM »
Remember, its the conservatives who originally came up with the idea of the individual mandate.
To say the mandate is government-run healthcare is a simple lie, (again, do you watch Fox...)
So its not comparable to other nations who have a national healthcare system.
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