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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #140 on: June 29, 2012, 12:22:56 AM »
Justice Ginsburg wrote: "Although an individual might buy a
car or a crown of broccoli one day,
there is no certainty she will ever do
so, And if
she eventually wants a car or has a
craving for broccoli, she will be
obliged to pay at the counter before
receiving the vehicle or nourishment.
She will get no free ride or food, at
the expense of another consumer
forced to pay an inflated price."
Short and clear, my point.

Obviously, you are dodging the question, even after multiple members on this forum asked you who is paying for your stay on your father's insurance.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #142 on: June 29, 2012, 12:57:57 AM »
Obviously, you are dodging the question, even after multiple members on this forum asked you who is paying for your stay on your father's insurance.
The ones that are paying are the same ones that pay for the aid to Israel. You sure you want to go there?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #143 on: June 29, 2012, 01:13:39 AM »
The ones that are paying are the same ones that pay for the aid to Israel. You sure you want to go there?
And aid to Egypt and to Palestinians.....

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #144 on: June 29, 2012, 01:28:23 AM »
The ones that are paying are the same ones that pay for the aid to Israel. You sure you want to go there?

Absolutely, let's go there.

How much aid is going to Israel? How much aid is going to healthcare?

About 3 billion goes to Israel (that's 1/10 of 1%), and the majority of this money is used to buy military equipment FROM THE U.S. So, the money is essentially coming back into the U.S. economy.

Now, how much goes to healthcare? Somewhere around $300 Billion...

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #145 on: June 29, 2012, 01:47:48 AM »
Absolutely, let's go there.
So you are for cutting all aid to Israel?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #146 on: June 29, 2012, 01:48:41 AM »
And aid to Egypt and to Palestinians.....
Taxpayers like everything else.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #147 on: June 29, 2012, 02:05:42 AM »
Insurance industry warns of higher rates, as ObamaCare supporters see long-term fix

The insurance industry would figure out how any ruling (in either direction) translates into higher premiums... :'(
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #148 on: June 29, 2012, 03:06:07 AM »
So you are for cutting all aid to Israel?
Hope you voted for Ron Paul. He sounds right up your alley regarding Israel.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #149 on: June 29, 2012, 03:14:33 AM »
Hope you voted for Ron Paul. He sounds right up your alley regarding Israel.
So you feel you know my stance on Israel because of the questions I ask?
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #150 on: June 29, 2012, 03:38:09 AM »
So you feel you know my stance on Israel because of the questions I ask?
Perhaps

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #151 on: June 29, 2012, 03:43:38 AM »
Perhaps
Based on your Ron Paul comment you would be wrong.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #152 on: June 29, 2012, 09:43:10 AM »
@zale
Again, what I'm defending here is the Individual Mandate and the ban to deny coverage for a person with pre existing condition.
The other parts of the law are not necessarily tied to these 2 parts.
I was just saying as a fact how I benefit from the ACA, maybe that part shouldn't be enacted, maybe. But I'm not arguing for that part.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #153 on: June 29, 2012, 10:32:49 AM »
And about the costs you are talking about, here's a good point:
 the budget office's estimate of
the cost over the next decade of
Obamacare's "coverage provisions" -
basically, the subsidies needed to
make insurance affordable for all - is
about only a third of the cost of the
tax cuts, overwhelmingly favoring the
wealthy, that Mitt Romney is
proposing over the same period. True,
Mr. Romney says that he would offset
that cost, but he has failed to provide
any plausible explanation of how he'd
do that. The Affordable Care Act, by
contrast, is fully paid for, with an
explicit combination of tax increases
and spending cuts elsewhere.
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #154 on: June 29, 2012, 10:55:05 AM »
One of the ways that they were planning on paying for Obamacare originally was by making every business transaction over $600.00 require a 1099. The government stuffed this into the healthcare bill because they figured there is a lot of unreported income that they can get their hands on and give penalties and fines to whoever doesn't comply. That would have meant every order from Staples, you hire someone to fix an air conditioner, call a plumber etc... requires a 1099. They were going to try to drown us in paperwork.

For the time being they repealed it. But here is proof that they did not believe this can pay for itself. They will tax us one way or another to pay for it.

We are going to end up like Canada.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #155 on: June 29, 2012, 10:55:44 AM »
Part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #158 on: July 01, 2012, 11:29:01 AM »
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/30/obamas-ironically-prescient-speech-opposing-john-roberts-nomination-to-the-supreme-court/
Give hope a chance!  :)

"I hope that I am wrong. I hope that this reticence on my part proves unjustified and that Judge Roberts will show himself to not only be an outstanding legal thinker but also someone who upholds the Court’s historic role as a check on the majoritarian impulses of the executive branch and the legislative branch."
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Re: Health Care Reform In The Supreme Court
« Reply #159 on: July 01, 2012, 04:20:56 PM »
For any who read the opinion, this article gives a fascinating backstory that led the decision the way it came down.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/

Most interestingly:
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. . . the conservatives handed [Roberts] their own message which, as one justice put it, essentially translated into, "You're on your own."

The conservatives refused to join any aspect of his opinion, including sections with which they agreed, such as his analysis imposing limits on Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, the sources said.

Instead, the four joined forces and crafted a highly unusual, unsigned joint dissent. They deliberately ignored Roberts' decision, the sources said, as if they were no longer even willing to engage with him in debate.
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