Author Topic: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo  (Read 16429 times)

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2012, 11:15:54 AM »
You are correct but I did Google it the first time I saw it in this thread.
But I believe you didn't find anybody that should link it to these days, and definitely nobody that should relate this to the Jihadisem like the people here.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #106 on: March 29, 2012, 11:16:59 AM »
???

His question I can understand because he isn't Jewish (and likes to stick his hand into every cookie jar--that being a product of his personality, not his religion).

But you? Really? Do you not believe in the Torah?

Perhaps I am wrong in assuming you're Jewish?
I can't even believe people here are making a moral equivalence between something in the torah that would be impossible to fulfill today (or anytime over the past 2,000+ years and if someone did try to fulfill it there would be immediate outrage) to a religion that has failed to protest the killings of thousands of innocent civilians and children in recent years.


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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #107 on: March 29, 2012, 11:19:50 AM »
I can't even believe people here are making a moral equivalence between something in the torah that would be impossible to fulfill today (or anytime over the past 2,000+ years and if someone did try to fulfill it there would be immediate outrage) to a religion that has failed to protest the killings of thousands of innocent civilians and children in recent years.

Who cares? Why does the fact that it is currently unfulfillable have any material effect on the fact that it is commanded and will be fulfilled in the proper time?

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #108 on: March 29, 2012, 11:22:56 AM »
But I believe you didn't find anybody that should link it to these days, and definitely nobody that should relate this to the Jihadisem like the people here.
That is why I asked the questions. I did not understand the correlation some were trying to make. They made it sound as if this was still happening.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #109 on: March 29, 2012, 11:23:02 AM »
2. My main point wasn't that the Chilul Hashem is the fact that hashem told us to wipe off Amelek. The Chilul hashem is that they see that there are Jews around that understand the Muslim Jihadisem, and they approve thru their point of view.
I didn't say that you actually approve it, but it could quite sound so for an outsider.

Are you out of your mind? Nowhere did I state that I approve, condone, or otherwise identify with what the Muslim extremists are doing to what I believe are innocents. If you were following (and it seems you haven't been), my point has remained the same from the very beginning, and despite what you imply, isn't anything close to the above.

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2012, 11:29:12 AM »
Who cares? Why does the fact that it is currently unfulfillable have any material effect on the fact that it is commanded and will be fulfilled in the proper time?
Actually the Rambam says we can peacefully ask them to accept the 7 Noahide laws and not have to kill them.

Regardless I find deplorable your attempt to find moral equivalence between a law in the torah regarding a single despicable nation to a religion silently condoning the terrorizing of the entire world by not protesting it.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2012, 11:34:49 AM »
Regardless I find deplorable your attempt to find moral equivalence between a law in the torah regarding a single despicable nation to a religion silently condoning the terrorizing of the entire world by not protesting it.

Whether you find it deplorable is beside the point.

The distinction you suggest is one in degree, not a distinction in kind. The Torah commands us to wipe them, all of them, off the planet. Men, women, children. The whole lot. And, by the way, the whole lot = anyone who is a descendant of Amalek, which, as you should know, could mean people in a number of today's nations, countries, and religions.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2012, 11:41:15 AM »
Are you out of your mind? Nowhere did I state that I approve, condone, or otherwise identify with what the Muslim extremists are doing to what I believe are innocents. If you were following (and it seems you haven't been), my point has remained the same from the very beginning, and despite what you imply, isn't anything close to the above.
Take a breath...
Even, if i'm arguing with you, I'm still not out of my mind, unless you can prove that you're in your mind.
Especially that I'm not arguing with you. I just pointed out a valid point, that your posts make it sound for an outsider that you can understand the idea of Jihadism. You can see from HelpMe's posts how he took your words.

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2012, 11:46:12 AM »
Actually the Rambam says we can peacefully ask them to accept the 7 Noahide laws and not have to kill them.

Regardless I find deplorable your attempt to find moral equivalence between a law in the torah regarding a single despicable nation to a religion silently condoning the terrorizing of the entire world by not protesting it.
for the extremists in the muslim religion they believe they are following their religion so why would that be different

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2012, 11:47:43 AM »
Take a breath...
Even, if i'm arguing with you, I'm still not out of my mind, unless you can prove that you're in your mind.
Especially that I'm not arguing with you. I just pointed out a valid point, that your posts make it sound for an outsider that you can understand the idea of Jihadism. You can see from HelpMe's posts how he took your words.

BTW, from now on you can say what you want, I'm out of this topic. I will leave my anger and heat for better stuff, so feel free to use whatever negative words you can find on me, because nothing will fire back.

How does one prove one is in his mind? :)

For the record, I didn't use any "negative words on you." And, I'm not angry. So feel free to stick around - I, perhaps unlike other people, like to hear the viewpoints of others without resorting to ranting and raving.

But, to address your particular issue about someone misinterpreting my stance, I hope the above posts clear that up sufficiently.

for the extremists in the muslim religion they believe they are following their religion so why would that be different

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #115 on: March 29, 2012, 11:48:21 AM »
For starters if we had extremists in our religion that claimed to be following the law of killing Amalek there would be mass protests about it.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #116 on: March 29, 2012, 11:52:06 AM »
For starters if we had extremists in our religion that claimed to be following the law of killing Amalek there would be mass protests about it.

Straw man.

That has about as much relevance to this discussions as me saying "if our religion claims the sun revolves around the earth, then Galileo would be right!" ... which is to say, none.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #117 on: March 29, 2012, 11:57:21 AM »
for the extremists in the muslim religion they believe they are following their religion so why would that be different
Good morning, thats exactly the point. They're RELIGION is extreme. (actually, so are they, which is why they were given the title "perah adom)
JUDIASM is not. I fact, one understanding the commandment to annihilate amalek is this: amalek signifies the root  of evil, which each person has within them. So we are commanded to annihilate/destroy that evil from within ourselves. (Which is further proof that Judaism is a peaceful religion and the fact that some people are mentioning Islamism and Judaism in the same sentence is just ridiculous, and quite frankly sad)

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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2012, 12:00:54 PM »
Good morning, thats exactly the point. They're RELIGION is extreme.

Uhm, I think you glossed over what may be the critical point in Mercaz's response:

... the extremists in the muslim religion ... believe they are following their religion

Not everyone in that religion believe what the extremists believe, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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Re: A Rally in Honor... Mohamed Merah Yimach Shemo
« Reply #119 on: March 29, 2012, 12:10:10 PM »
For starters if we had extremists in our religion that claimed to be following the law of killing Amalek there would be mass protests about it.
were there mass protests by jews everywhere when boruch goldstien killed people