Halachically allowed

[WhyAich]

Question:

Can you sell a Jew a plane ticket for shabbos flying?

Note: not asking if it's ethical or not, just plain Halacha and source.


Thanks!

[Twin]

How could u if ur causing him to fly

[U-no-me!]

Question:

Can you sell a Jew a plane ticket for shabbos flying?

Note: not asking if it's ethical or not, just plain Halacha and source.


Thanks!

It would fall under the D'orayso of lifnei ivair, Misayea lidvar aveiro.

IIRC The possible heter might be if he can or will purchase it anyways through a different source, it may possibly be okay.

[SuperFlyer]

I've asked that before (not on forum), and its very problematic.

I don't understand why if the guy memayle travels shabbos, its an issue, just because its still gromo...

[U-no-me!]

I've asked that before (not on forum), and its very problematic.

I don't understand why if the guy memayle travels shabbos, its an issue, but its still gromo...

Just a bit too cryptic for me to understand, sorry, it's bein hazmanim and my head is not tuned in.

[SuperFlyer]

Just a bit too cryptic for me to understand, sorry, it's bein hazmanim and my head is not tuned in.

better now?

[U-no-me!]

I've asked that before

What did you ask?

(not on forum), and its very problematic.

again, what?

I don't understand why if the guy memayle travels shabbos, its an issue, just because its still gromo...

it's an issue because it's gromo? or it shouldn't be an issue because it's only gromo? or it shouldn't be an issue because the guy memayle travels but it still is an issue because it's gromo? or gromo shouldn't be an issue? etc;....
I would love to understand what you are trying to say.

[SuperFlyer]

Asked WhyAich's question.

I find it should be less than a gromo as he's taking a ticket anyways on shabbes.

[U-no-me!]

Asked WhyAich's question.

I find it should be less than a gromo as he's taking a ticket anyways on shabbes.

Thanks for clarifying. Did the rov say it's assur because it's gromo?

I theoreticaly agree with you. There is a certain heter like that, i just can't seem to remember what it's called right now.

[WhyAich]

Uh... Wait a second what's wrong with flying on shabbos. It's like taking the train...

[SuperFlyer]

Uh... Wait a second what's wrong with flying on shabbos. It's like taking the train...

Good point, I was thinking about some flights where in mid air a person would have shabbos (starting and ending while in the air).

If lidvar mitsva it shouldn't be an issue I believe, however, one is only allowed to have 1 shabbos a week.

[SuperFlyer]

Havdolo candles may activate a smoke alarm...

[mclovin]

Uh... Wait a second what's wrong with flying on shabbos. It's like taking the train...

you are allowed to board a train on shabbos? even if its leaving the techum?

[Chaikel]

you are allowed to board a train on shabbos? even if its leaving the techum?

I believe Rashi (Possibly Shitas amoramim) hold there is no issur of tchum if you're moving. There are heterim, and bshas hadchak or hefsed a competent rav should be contacted

[WhyAich]

I believe Rashi (Possibly Shitas amoramim) hold there is no issur of tchum if you're moving. There are heterim, and bshas hadchak or hefsed a competent rav should be contacted

contacted and because of many parts of the situation and hefsed merubah etc etc. it was permitted to follow though.


This is not a general psak but was very much connected to this specific case.

GN

[SuperFlyer]

I know that reb Moishe writes about a bus (where one does not need to pay), is only bedi'eved allowed.

@whyaich: I'm starting to like your Rabbi.

[moko]

How could u if ur causing him to fly

i'm not anyones rabbi but wouldn't that have to fall under תרי עברי דנהרא

[U-no-me!]

Good point, I was thinking about some flights where in mid air a person would have shabbos (starting and ending while in the air).

Actually I beleive that halocho l'maaseh it's mutar, it comes into play when leaving austarlia motzei shabbos. mid air one passes through the dateline and it is actually shabbos for a few hours or so.

[U-no-me!]

and because of many parts of the situation

what are the "parts" would you mind explaining the psak

and hefsed merubah

Huh!? if i am understanding coorectly if i have a customer who i consider to be a good one, i can feed him ham if he so desires because of hefsed merubah!?

etc etc. it was permitted to follow though.

what is "etc etc;".?

[PlatinumGuy]

i'm not anyones rabbi but wouldn't that have to fall under תרי עברי דנהרא

There is no other way to get an airplane ticket? I knew whyaich is good, but that good?