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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2012, 08:30:01 PM »
what if you know traveler is Jewish?

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Halachically allowed
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2012, 08:38:49 PM »
Hefsed Merubah is not a blanket heter. If one's house and business is burning down on shabbos one may not put out the fire (unless of course if it's pikuach nefesh, although one may pour water around the fire and not directly on to it) even though it's hefsed merubah.

I know it's not blanket. That's why I mentioned there were other factors etc
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Halachically allowed
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2012, 08:39:26 PM »
I spoke to more than one rov about this.
Not happening.
My Rov paskened it's fine
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Halachically allowed
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2012, 08:40:19 PM »
what if you know traveler is Jewish?
I knew he was Jewish.

But again this was a very specific situation and not a general statement
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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2012, 10:30:17 PM »
You are not allowed to cause a Yid to be Mechallel Shabbos.

Very serious issue.

See this past Shabbos's Hiskashrus where it discusses inviting someone for shabbos if you know he will drive etc.

http://www.chabad.org.il/_Uploads/1633hit929.pdf

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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2012, 11:00:56 PM »
You are not allowed to cause a Yid to be Mechallel Shabbos.

Very serious issue.

See this past Shabbos's Hiskashrus where it discusses inviting someone for shabbos if you know he will drive etc.

http://www.chabad.org.il/_Uploads/1633hit929.pdf

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We are all aware of this. However, it is clear that WhyAich asked a competent posek who was meikil for reasons specific to the case. I think a person has a right (if not a responsibility) to listen to his posek.
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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2012, 04:11:07 AM »
We are all aware of this. However, it is clear that WhyAich asked a competent posek who was meikil for reasons specific to the case. I think a person has a right (if not a responsibility) to listen to his posek.

Who was this "competent posek"? And what is the mokor in Shulchon Oruch for this "so called heter"?

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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2012, 04:26:04 AM »

Who was this "competent posek"? And what is the mokor in Shulchon Oruch for this "so called heter"?
Where in the Shulchan Oruch does it say there's לפני עוור when its not
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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2012, 04:52:21 AM »
how is his Lifnei Ivair? You are arranging for him to travel on Shabbos.

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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2012, 05:02:35 AM »
how is his Lifnei Ivair?
if it's not lifnei Eiver, what's the problem with:
arranging for him to travel on Shabbos.
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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2012, 05:55:24 AM »
I understand your logic, although I don't necessarily agree with it.

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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2012, 05:57:48 AM »
I understand your logic, although I don't necessarily agree with it.
Which aveira do you think it is for WhyAich?
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Re: Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2012, 06:36:26 AM »
Who was this "competent posek"? And what is the mokor in Shulchon Oruch for this "so called heter"?
Why do you care. That's between him and God. He has no reason to answer to you
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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2012, 07:17:21 AM »
By the way, i asked my rabbi as well. Had a friend that had such a case were a guy said, i have to be on this flight... If he dint sell him, he would buy regular... My rabbi allowed it. Dont ask me why, when i get a heter, i dont ask questions
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Re: Halachically allowed
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2012, 08:50:00 AM »
Elsehow he may end up buying a ticket to fly not on Shabbos.

I used to have this issue all the time with guests.
siyag lachachma :-)