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Green (7 programs): Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Lime (2 program): Does not charge a fuel surcharge for their own or for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Blue (3 programs): Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal and for flying on partners that normally collect a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partners that normally do not collect a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal.

Purple (1 program): Doesn't charge a fuel surcharge for their own or partner flights originating from the US.  Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights originating outside of the US.
Teal (1 program):Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Red (8 programs): Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
Orange (21 programs): Unknown or incomplete info.

Star:
Adria: ???
Air Canada: Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partner airlines.
Note: If you fly on these carriers you will pay a fuel surcharge: Adria, Air Canada, ANA, Asiana, Austrian, LOT Polish, Lufthansa, TAP Portugal, and THAI.
If you fly on these carriers you will not pay a fuel surcharge: Aegean, Air China, Air New Zealand, Avianca/TACA, Brussels, Copa, Croatia, EgyptAir, Ethiopian, SAS, Singapore, South African, Swiss, TAM, Turkish, United, and USAirways.
Air China: ???
Air New Zealand: ??? (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
ANA: Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Asiana: ??? (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
Austrian: ???
EgyptAir: ???
Miles And More (Adria, Austrian, Brussels, Croatia, LOT Polish, Lufthansa, and Swiss): Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.

Exception: No fuel surcharge for redeeming any Miles and More carrier on miles for flying on Lot Polish.
EuroBonus (Blue1, SAS): Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Shanghai: ???
Singapore: No longer charges for flights on their own metal but does for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: Singapore charges a surcharge for travel on most partners, with the exceptions being United and Virgin Australia.
South African: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
TAM: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Tap Portugal ???
Thai: ???  (Does charge on own metal, unknown about partners)
Turkish: Charges on all flights including partner flights (confirmation needed about partner flights)
United: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.

OneWorld:
AA: Does not charge a fuel surcharge for their own or for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: AA does charge a hefty fuel surcharge for redemption on partner British Airways, and a small fuel surcharge for flying on Iberia, however they do not charge it for redemption on their own metal or on other partners.
British Airways:Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: BA charges a surcharge for travel on most partners, with the exceptions being Aer Lingus, Alaska, and LAN.  BA does not collect a fuel surcharge on AA flights that are wholly within the Western Hemisphere.
BA also does not collect fuel surcharges for flights within Europe.
You can transfer BA Avios to Iberia to save on fuel surcharges collected on Iberia flights.

Cathay Pacific: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
Finnair: ???
Iberia: ???
JAL:  Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
LAN: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Qantas: Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal and for flying on partners that normally collect a fuel surcharge, exception being travel on El Al metal where they don't charge fuel surcharges even though El Al does charge.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partners that normally do not collect a fuel surcharge. 
Royal Jordanian: ???

Skyteam:
Aeroflot: ???
AeroMexico: Charges a fuel surcharge on some (possibly all) award tickets on their own metal. Unknown if they charge fuel surcharges on partner awards.
Alitalia: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
China Southern: ???
Czech: ???
Delta: Doesn't charge a fuel surcharge for their own or partner flights originating from the US.  Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights originating outside of the US.
Note: Delta does charge a hefty fuel surcharge for redemption on partners Malaysia and Virgin Australia, even on flight originating in the United States.
Flying Blue (AirEuropa, Air France, Kenya, KLM): Charges a fuel surcharge for flying on their own metal and for flying on partners that normally collect a fuel surcharge.  Does not charge a fuel surcharge for flying on partners that normally do not collect a fuel surcharge.
Note: This means no fuel surcharges for Delta flights.
Korean: ???
Tarom: ???
Vietnam: ???

Unaligned:
Alaska: Does not charge a fuel surcharge for their own or for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.

Note: Alaska does charge a hefty fuel surcharge for redemption on partner British Airways, however they do not charge it for redemption on their own metal or on other partners like AA, Air France/KLM, Cathay Pacific, Delta, or Qantas.
El Al: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets.
Emirates: Never charges a fuel surcharge on their own or partner award tickets.
Virgin Atlantic: Always charges a fuel surcharge on award tickets, even on partners that normally don't charge a fuel surcharge.
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #135 on: November 08, 2010, 03:46:43 PM »
So you'll apply at Citi/Chase for 25-35k AA/CO miles, but not 100K BA? Are you saying that in your eyes BA miles are worth less than a third of the value of AA/CO miles?
I'm saying I didn't trust BA and it proved to be true.
They are adding surcharges on all their partners.

No point investing in a currency when you don't trust the issuer.  I also wouldn't make an investment in Mexican Pesos.
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #136 on: November 08, 2010, 04:43:21 PM »
I'm saying I didn't trust BA and it proved to be true.
They are adding surcharges on all their partners.

No point investing in a currency when you don't trust the issuer.  I also wouldn't make an investment in Mexican Pesos.
I hear your point but I respectfully disagree in this situation. If you would get 25K BA then you have a point because why waste a hard pull when you can get AA/CO... instead. 100K BA is a whole other story, my bonus miles posted a year ago and the fact that they added surcharges now was irrelevant to me since I spent my miles a while ago for AA flights that would have cost over $1000. The accounts with 100K BA were selling for an avg of $1250 for the people who do that.
Even if you would have used them for the cheapest domestic AA flights that would still be $100's value minimum, it takes more work to figure out all those Amazon coupons to get some free diapers....

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #137 on: November 08, 2010, 04:47:50 PM »
I hear your point but I respectfully disagree in this situation. If you would get 25K BA then you have a point because why waste a hard pull when you can get AA/CO... instead. 100K BA is a whole other story, my bonus miles posted a year ago and the fact that they added surcharges now was irrelevant to me since I spent my miles a while ago for AA flights that would have cost over $1000. The accounts with 100K BA were selling for an avg of $1250 for the people who do that.
Even if you would have used them for the cheapest domestic AA flights that would still be $100's value minimum, it takes more work to figure out all those Amazon coupons to get some free diapers....
To each their own I suppose.
I'm not in this game to flip and sell.  See also all of the accounts that BA have shut down b/c of suspicion of selling...

I'll get better use out of having another 30K CO miles in my stockpile that I trust that CO will protect their value than 100K miles that you can wake up one day and find out that they're worthless.

In principle I don't collect and hoard miles in airlines that don't play fairly.
Am I being silly? Perhaps, but I'm entitled to some mishigas.
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #138 on: November 08, 2010, 05:00:18 PM »
I guess it also depends if someone has a use for them right away in which case there is more of a chance of getting your value out of them than hoarding...
And you are definitely entitled to your mishigas  ;D same as anyone else!

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #139 on: November 08, 2010, 05:05:32 PM »
I guess it also depends if someone has a use for them right away in which case there is more of a chance of getting your value out of them than hoarding...
+1
Rarely am I getting miles for immediate use.
And being based in CLE, I'm almost always flying CO for domestic flights.
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #140 on: November 10, 2010, 04:17:05 AM »
As I don't check this thread often, I just realized Dan's bump/PING!!!

Concerning BMI, they will always charge a lot, whether its called fuel tax or not.

As in this forum fuel tax seems to be the decisive factor on which miles to use, versus (how many miles needed), and applying the price people pay for those miles you save often much more than the additional fuel charge costs.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #141 on: November 10, 2010, 09:32:54 AM »
As I don't check this thread often, I just realized Dan's bump/PING!!!

Concerning BMI, they will always charge a lot, whether its called fuel tax or not.

As in this forum fuel tax seems to be the decisive factor on which miles to use, versus (how many miles needed), and applying the price people pay for those miles you save often much more than the additional fuel charge costs.
Right, but 99% of my miles is via churning, so better to have the kind that doesn't require $$$$

Anyway al613 claims that you don't pay fuel surcharges for redeeming BMI miles on US.
When you get the chance can you check how much tax BMI asks for PHL-TLV on US?
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #142 on: December 09, 2010, 06:01:02 PM »
anyone tried bmi miles on continental, have to book tomorrow. Thanks

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #143 on: December 11, 2010, 03:20:09 PM »
What is the question? What kind of problem/issue do you expect.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #144 on: December 11, 2010, 03:37:15 PM »
You are right, I should have explained my question better. Wanted to know if BMI charges Taxes on Co. Well I booked a ticket zrh-ewr co, jfk-zrh lx in business. Taxes were 250 Pounds. Quite heavy
In my opinion worth using bmi

I needed 37.5 points. I bought them for 1.5= 562 USD
+210 Pounds Cash                                 = 330 USD
+250 Pounds Taxes                                =395  USD
Total                                                   =1287 USD per Ticket in Business

Even getting AC miles at 1.6 would have costed more, would there have been a better and easier way?

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #145 on: December 12, 2010, 03:56:59 AM »
Probably not, except that its better to book 2 one ways with bmi, which will cost you a bit more, but makes the tix more flexible.

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2011, 12:15:38 PM »
How current is this??
British Airways:Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: BA charges a surcharge for travel on most partners, currently you can avoid the surcharge for travel on AA by booking online.  There is no surcharge for travel on LAN online or over the phone. If the flight is only available over the phone you will be charged a fuel surcharge.

I am trying to book a one way tkt to gateshead using amex miles- i thought I would put it into BA or use on AA to avoid feul charge-  (one way only because I want to make a european stop on the way home and I am not sure from where yet??)

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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2011, 06:01:38 PM »
How current is this??
British Airways:Charges a fuel surcharge for their own and for partner flights except for when flying on select partners.
Note: BA charges a surcharge for travel on most partners, currently you can avoid the surcharge for travel on AA by booking online.  There is no surcharge for travel on LAN online or over the phone. If the flight is only available over the phone you will be charged a fuel surcharge.

I am trying to book a one way tkt to gateshead using amex miles- i thought I would put it into BA or use on AA to avoid feul charge-  (one way only because I want to make a european stop on the way home and I am not sure from where yet??)
It is current.
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2011, 11:40:18 AM »
I cant figure it out- i cant find an option to book AA flights on BA   it only brings up the BA flights-  Maybe i am looking in the wrong place.  Please advise!
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Re: The New Color-Coded Fuel Surcharges On Award Tickets Master Thread!
« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2011, 12:48:41 PM »
I'm not sure you can book partner airlines if BA flys the route, if not there should be a button to include partners.