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Steven · « **Reply #120 on:** May 09, 2012, 12:51:21 PM »

Quote from: MarkS on May 09, 2012, 12:41:09 PM

Interesting Article on Vosizneias

wow! kudos to VIN for posting this. unfortunately, very true IMHO

Name Changed · « **Reply #121 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:14:15 PM »

"The internet is not the problem. The lack of education about the world is."

Quoted from the VIS article

I hear his point any semi-agree

But it cant be said that the internet is not the problem. There are way to many people caught in the trap of the internet.
Its know and everyone agrees that the internet is not safe. No one is safe.

MarkS · « **Reply #122 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:16:21 PM »

Quote from: Name Changed on May 09, 2012, 01:14:15 PM

"The internet is not the problem. The lack of education about the world is."
Quoted from the VIS article
I hear his point any semi-agree
But it cant be said that the internet is not the problem. There are way to many people caught in the trap of the internet.
Its know and everyone agrees that the internet is not safe. No one is safe.

He didn't say 'The internet is not A problem'.

He said it's not THE problem'!

Name Changed · « **Reply #123 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:18:12 PM »

Quote from: MarkS on May 09, 2012, 01:16:21 PM

He didn't say 'The internet is not A problem'.

He said it's not THE problem'!

Either way his solution of being less open minded is obviously not the answer, as even the open minded people have this problem.

Lamdan · « **Reply #124 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:55:49 PM »

Quote from: mercaz1 on May 09, 2012, 10:44:14 AM

yeah but hew doesnt identify as democrat while they identify as orthodox

Democrats and Romney both identify as Americans, they're Democrat Americans, he's a Republican American. MO and Temimusdike Orthodox both identify as Orthodox, MO is Modern Orthodox, Temimusdik is Temimusdik Orthodox. If you don't understand why MO wasn't invited, you obviously don't realize how far apart they stand in inyaney kedusha, it is a huge difference of opinion. Anyways enough arguing for me, I just argued with my chavrusah over a Rashba for 2 1/2 hours, let me have some menuchas hanefesh and go to the credit card section and see if there's anything good cooking

Yitz · « **Reply #125 on:** May 09, 2012, 02:22:49 PM »

Quote from: Lamdan on May 09, 2012, 01:55:49 PM

Democrats and Romney both identify as Americans, they're Democrat Americans, he's a Republican American. MO and Temimusdike Orthodox both identify as Orthodox, MO is Modern Orthodox, Temimusdik is Temimusdik Orthodox. If you don't understand why MO wasn't invited, you obviously don't realize how far apart they stand in inyaney kedusha, it is a huge difference of opinion. Anyways enough arguing for me, I just argued with my chavrusah over a Rashba for 2 1/2 hours, let me have some menuchas hanefesh and go to the credit card section and see if there's anything good cooking

great idea

Lamdan · « **Reply #126 on:** May 09, 2012, 02:29:21 PM »

Quote from: Yitz on May 09, 2012, 02:22:49 PM

great idea

be nice

mercaz1 · « **Reply #127 on:** May 09, 2012, 03:23:16 PM »

if you dont think there is a difference between american politics where the game is to win at any costs even if it means bashing the other side and judiasim where we try to preach achdus and bipartisianship then your right the MO should not have been invited but if you are billing this event for the whole klal then you have to invite the MO also
even if it is just to show unity for outsiders

Drago · « **Reply #128 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:20:44 PM »

Quote from: mercaz1 on May 09, 2012, 03:23:16 PM

but if you are billing this event for the whole klal then you have to invite the MO also
even if it is just to show unity for outsiders

+1
Again, no one is arguing with the danger of the internet. And for that matter, I think you would find broad agreement with regards to the dangers of television.

Listen, I have no problem with them not wanting to invite anyone either MO, or 'right-wing MO'. That's their decision. But just don't bill it as a unity event, meant to tackle the problem. It's the 'unity' part which bothers me.

I remember learning in R. Katz's community kollel in Cleveland. On Fridays, he would often have different rabbanim give a schmooze in some topic to the youngeleits (sic). He even had the Rav of the main MO shul in the neighborhood give the schmooze. Why? I would guess b/c it was called a 'community' kollel, and he wanted to buttress the name.

AsherO · « **Reply #129 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:25:41 PM »

Quote from: Reuven on May 09, 2012, 04:20:44 PM

Listen, I have no problem with them not wanting to invite anyone either MO, or 'right-wing MO'. That's their decision. But just don't bill it as a unity event, meant to tackle the problem. It's the 'unity' part which bothers me.

Selective unity, or unity-but-only-on-our-terms. So much for "Jewish leadership" (and I don't mean to say this against leaders of any specific sect, as most of them seem to think theirs is the best (only?) "flavor" of Judaism)

Yitz · « **Reply #130 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:28:28 PM »

Quote from: Reuven on May 09, 2012, 04:20:44 PM

+1
Again, no one is arguing with the danger of the internet. And for that matter, I think you would find broad agreement with regards to the dangers of television.

Listen, I have no problem with them not wanting to invite anyone either MO, or 'right-wing MO'. That's their decision. But just don't bill it as a unity event, meant to tackle the problem. It's the 'unity' part which bothers me.

I remember learning in R. Katz's community kollel in Cleveland. On Fridays, he would often have different rabbanim give a schmooze in some topic to the youngeleits (sic). He even had the Rav of the main MO shul in the neighborhood give the schmooze. Why? I would guess b/c it was called a 'community' kollel, and he wanted to buttress the name.

Well said

MarkS · « **Reply #131 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:39:11 PM »

Since when is this event 'by invitation only'? There were ads in the Yated and Haamodia.

Drago · « **Reply #132 on:** May 09, 2012, 10:52:41 PM »

Quote from: MarkS on May 09, 2012, 04:39:11 PM

Since when is this event 'by invitation only'? There were ads in the Yated and Haamodia.

The discussion is about which rabbinic leadership they invited, not which segments of the public were invited.

So for eg, if a Lubabitch adherent knew that their rabbanim had been ignored by the organizers, its a safe bet to say that most of them wouldn't be interested in attending. The same goes for anyone else, whether it's Satmer, Squarer, MO's, or dolphins. When ppl feel that their 'type' is being disrespected, the chances of them showing up are slim, and for good reason,