Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[yuneeq]

Holy %$@%*!
Can you guys stop insulting each other already? This is getting way out of hand.

To my minimal knowledge, the gemara brings down the lack of achdus for many of our historical problems, not the lack of strict kashrus observance. So let's try to focus on the first at the same time we focus on the second.

Why don't we simply get a few actual in the field kashrus experts from all walks of life into a room to talk with us? Yuneeq, have you been able to contact anyone yet?

There can't be one kashrus discussion without yare or moish rudely interrupting. Its getting really annoying, so henceforth I will ignore and ask others to ignore any useless comments that they write.

About the kashrus DO, I will call Spira today, though I'm not able to make it until after Purim. Also, I would like to mention a clear reason why we would like to meet him.

[Drago]

Also, I would like to mention a clear reason why we would like to meet him.

How about the fact that ppl's not having enough knowledge is causing divisiveness? That should be a good reason.

[yuneeq]

How about the fact that ppl's not having enough knowledge is causing divisiveness? That should be a good reason.

Sounds good to me.

[moish]

There can't be one kashrus discussion without yare or moish rudely interrupting.

example of where i "rudely interrupted?"

[yare]

Badly written.

In general can you try to write a bit neater? My eyes are hurting!

i don't feel the need to make bullet points, you seem to have done a fine job figuring it out on your own.

1. I looked through your threads up until Jan 31 and I haven't found a single helpful comment or any at all in any mileage thread from you either. כל הפוסל במומו פוסל

you looked through 1400 posts and didn't find any mileage thread comments      lol

2. I remember hearing from you (Not necessarily on the forums) the same or similar sentiments about other DDF members.

i don't know you, on or off the forums, so i have no clue what that means

LMAO once again.

Even on this page I brought a source to something. It seems like you (and moish) have an auto alert whenever someone mentions the Eida.But of course, you never challenged me to bring a source to something specific, so of course there is nothing to bring a source to. Though, even with all your love of sources, you never bring one source or reason to defend your statement that the Eida would never do business with the Rabbanut.

i spend many hours a day around eida people.  i know their hashkafos and a bit of their politics.  no source, just personal experience.       

you brought a source to a random thing that noone argued about.  kal hakavod. clap clap.   now, maybe try bringing sources for the things actually under discussion, such as your opinions about the way the eida deals with kashrus, and that rubin deals with it the same etc etc          you know full well what we mean when we said you don't bring sources.  but, no, you like to avoid the point with lots of lols and lmaos and smileys and throw in a couple "trolls" and "stupid" and there ya go.          i'd be surprised if you're a day over 16.            grow up, and if you can back up your comments do so.  otherwise, just admit that it's no more than your own baseless emotional prattle.

[yuneeq]

So just met with Yechiel Spira: He is willing to do the DO at his house for free.

I asked if he can get someone else on board too: He says that right now before pesach it's the busiest season of the year for mashgichim, so he probably won't be able to find someone from an agency that would be willing to do it. Though, he says that if we're willing to pay, there will probably be someone good he can find.

[Drago]

Interesting post about news going around Israel.
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/02/is-eida-squeezing-its-food-producers.html

[PlatinumGuy]

Kashrus is a for profit industry. End of story.

[moish]

So just met with Yechiel Spira: He is willing to do the DO at his house for free.

I asked if he can get someone else on board too: He says that right now before pesach it's the busiest season of the year for mashgichim, so he probably won't be able to find someone from an agency that would be willing to do it. Though, he says that if we're willing to pay, there will probably be someone good he can find.

i would be interested, and help pay for, if you can get r' kuber

[yuneeq]

i would be interested, and help pay for, if you can get r' kuber

If we can get him to come from Telz-stone, even for some money, I would be very surprised.

[Chaikel]

i would be interested, and help pay for, if you can get r' kuber

I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him

[moish]

I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him

what kind of biz?

[yare]

I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him

what's the problem with asking him?  he does kashrus lectures at times.  just tell him there's a group of interested people etc etc   you dont have to tell him it's a ddf affair

[Chaikel]

what's the problem with asking him?  he does kashrus lectures at times.  just tell him there's a group of interested people etc etc   you dont have to tell him it's a ddf affair

If we get a better idea like how many/where/when/etc I'll consider asking him. Or anyone that learns in the Mir can just walk over to him and ask

[PlatinumGuy]

Yosef Zaritsky from Bnei Brak is considered the biggest independent mumche. I don't have his phone number handy but for some money I think he'll go.

[moish]

Yosef Zaritsky from Bnei Brak is considered the biggest independent mumche. I don't have his phone number handy but for some money I think he'll go.

considered by whom

[PlatinumGuy]

considered by whom

Wikipedia

[Jkhein]

Yosef Zaritsky from Bnei Brak is considered the biggest independent mumche. I don't have his phone number handy but for some money I think he'll go.

I do. like all, he also has his personal negios though, but he is good to get a rough idea.

[yare]

I do. like all, he also has his personal negios though, but he is good to get a rough idea.

he also only speaks hebrew, not sure if that works for everyone

[yare]

Interesting post about news going around Israel.
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/02/is-eida-squeezing-its-food-producers.html

i know, very surprising that there should be another side to the story, but...
from ywn:
Responding to Israel Radio was Eida Chareidis spokesman Shmuel Peppenheim.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Why are so many mashgichim required?

EIDA:

I don’t know where this farmer has gathered so many complaints. We employ one mashgiach at the level of the farms, for an entire district.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Yes but there are also mashgichim from the Chief Rabbinate. Why not rely on them?

EIDA:

Those wishing to rely upon the Chief Rabbinate may do so and that is absolutely fine. Badatz Eida Chareidis is a private hashgacha and those wishing our services must comply with our stringent standards. Yes, the law demands the Rabbinate’s certification, and then they can use us if they wish or not. It is not compulsory. We are private.

Regarding the packing area our mashgiach works quite hard, despite that farmer’s statements. It is not just growing fruit on a tree and after three years one can eat. Trees require work, pruning and other care for the farmer’s good, and some of these issues do result in kashrus concerns. The mashgiach understands this things but the farmer may not. That is fine. The mashgiach does what he is responsible to do.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Farmer Netzer Shamir from a moshav in the Negev claims you guys disqualified 10 tons of lemons from his orchard that were over 3 years old.

EIDA:

We have no connection to that farmer. We deal with a middle man who markets produce from many areas. The Eida only uses a small amount of produce that which meets our stringent standard and we pay dearly for this.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Don’t you think your standards are harming the livelihood of farmers?

EIDA:

Quite the contrary sir. We open many markets and doors for a farmer wishing to export and they earn more per ton of produce with us than they will without our hashgacha.

I don’t believe that he had to destroy the lemons for if we do not use it the Chief Rabbinate would take it. Even if the Chief Rabbinate said it does not want it, then he can sell it abroad to the marketplace uninterested in kashrus. It is most unfortunate people like this farmer make such baseless allegations for the Eida would never compel him to destroy tons of lemons.