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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2280 on: May 12, 2019, 04:24:51 PM »
A prejudice for their own group is chauvinistic.

What does believing that learning chassidus improves yiras shomayim have to do with prejudice or a group?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2281 on: May 12, 2019, 04:28:34 PM »
If we're looking for marketing, OU plus something that sounds frum. If we're going for who I trust more to follow Yoreh deah, the OU. As I have said, I am sure there are chassidishe shechitas that have higher standards than the OU. But I'm also sure that there are some with lower standards, or higher standards but fewer controls to monitor compliance.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2282 on: May 12, 2019, 04:47:49 PM »
What does believing that learning chassidus improves yiras shomayim have to do with prejudice or a group?
When you say chassidus, you are not referring to inyanei yirah bichlal. That would include mussar and other disciplines as well. Hence the prejudice for a group

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2283 on: May 12, 2019, 05:00:24 PM »
What does believing that learning chassidus improves yiras shomayim have to do with prejudice or a group?
Is there any real reason to believe that learning chassidus will increase yiras shomayim more than learning musar and being osek batorah?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2284 on: May 12, 2019, 06:09:46 PM »
I don't think that the OU following a psak of R Soloveitzik is a great example or a shock
Add R' Aron to this as well at least according to R Herschel Shacters teshuva regarding fish... I tried to confirm with Y(?)Shp.. (You can PM me if you're not sure who I'm referring to) he told me that he has heard this claim before but unfortunately the one & only person who can actually (& honestly) confirm this was niftar not too long ago..

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2285 on: May 13, 2019, 10:31:34 AM »
As an aside, anyone not familiar with Rav Moshe's teshuva on עד אחד נאמן באיסורים should be. Can find link later if requested
IIRC that teshuva was written to R' Reuven while he was still a bochur. R' Reuven explains it in english in his recently published sefer Divrei Sholom.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2286 on: May 13, 2019, 11:04:46 PM »
Interesting interview (I usually would take Ami with a grain of salt, but the OU published it) https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/ami-magazine-interview-rabbi-menachem-genack/
@ExGingi here is the teshuva, http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=916&pgnum=124 as @avromie7 noted, it was written to Reb Reuven, the last three paragraphs of th eteshuvah being particularly salient, and applicable to a discussion where we are deciding if a hechsher is good based on marketing tactics, beard size, Tanya thumping, and yarmulka type. 

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2287 on: May 13, 2019, 11:10:16 PM »
Interesting interview (I usually would take Ami with a grain of salt, but the OU published it) https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/ami-magazine-interview-rabbi-menachem-genack/
@ExGingi here is the teshuva, http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=916&pgnum=124 as @avromie7 noted, it was written to Reb Reuven, the last three paragraphs of th eteshuvah being particularly salient, and applicable to a discussion where we are deciding if a hechsher is good based on marketing tactics, beard size, Tanya thumping, and yarmulka type. 
Now I need to find the avnei nezer about a hechsher saying that a person is trustworthy......
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2288 on: May 13, 2019, 11:16:46 PM »
Now I need to find the avnei nezer about a hechsher saying that a person is trustworthy......
My distinct understanding is that Rav Moshe didn't see a hechsher as a legal entity per se. I know of his talmidim who will eat in restaurants owned by a shomer shabbos yid regardless of hashgocha, and will not eat in one owned by a goy, equally regardless of hashgocha. The OU admits to this themselves in the interview above, that if someone is not trustworthy hashgocha doesn't help, and we all have seen that.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2289 on: May 14, 2019, 04:48:59 PM »
I know of his talmidim who will eat in restaurants owned by a shomer shabbos yid regardless of hashgocha, and will not eat in one owned by a goy, equally regardless of hashgocha.
I know about the former, I never heard of the latter.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2290 on: May 14, 2019, 08:40:45 PM »
I know about the former, I never heard of the latter.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2291 on: May 23, 2019, 05:17:18 PM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/9v49uy/i_keep_kosher_i_need_your_help/
informative thread.
Re the wands - they use them to steam milk, apple juice, lemonade, and matcha powder or vanilla bean powder. I think these are all kosher - except for the lemonade which doesn't have hashgocha. thoughts?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2292 on: May 23, 2019, 05:26:54 PM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/9v49uy/i_keep_kosher_i_need_your_help/
informative thread.
Re the wands - they use them to steam milk, apple juice, lemonade, and matcha powder or vanilla bean powder. I think these are all kosher - except for the lemonade which doesn't have hashgocha. thoughts?
They use a soapy rag between so it's pgam regardless.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2293 on: June 06, 2019, 07:28:25 PM »
is sake acceptable without certification?
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מרבה נכסים מרבה דאגה, בלי נכסים דאגה ביותר

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2294 on: June 06, 2019, 07:31:51 PM »
is sake acceptable without certification?
Crc says yes if unflavored