Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[Mikes@Micro]

My dishwasher has a door. We also place items into the oven which is off by then (just need to remember to take them out before turning on the oven next time)

We place in dishwasher exclusively. some pretty rough stories with things melting.

Once quickly stashed things in oven when friends knocked on the door and didn't want them coming into a messy kitchen.  We ended up baking together and someone preheated the oven..... no realized until the smell hit them

[moko]

What about us folks without dishwashers?

[aygart]

What about us folks without dishwashers?

Baby step #1 Buy one
Baby step #2 Stop using disposables
Baby step #3 Use the saving to pay you lowest balance CC

[ExGingi]

Baby step #1 Buy one
Baby step #2 Stop using disposables
Baby step #3 Use the saving to pay you lowest balance CC

I beg to disagree with your order. And possibly tweak it a little bit.

I would put "Stop using disposables" ahead of buying a dishwasher.

So in my book it would be:
Baby step #1 Stop using disposables
Baby step #2 Use the saving to buy and overfund a 100,000 whole life policy on yourself, to supplement whatever you have in term and build a safe liquid asset.
Baby step #3 Decide if buying a dishwasher makes economic sense for you, and make it a deliberate purchase if deemed so.
 

[Mikes@Micro]

We are waaaaay off topic. Please retreat to the lifehacks and Dave Ramsey threads respectively.

[yungermanchik]

 Back to the original question:

Never really paid close attention, but a sibling pointed out that one should not keep a metal spoon in the chrain used to put on your fish more than a few minutes.
   While you used the same spoon a few hours earlier to cook with a hot brisket.
 
    Is this in fact something one should avoid? And use plastic instead for the chrain? As it's a davar shebichariv and would be problematic when using for fish?

Whether or not a davar charif makes kavush quickly (the shiur of resicha- boiling) is a machlokes the Mechaber and the Shach.
 It is based off a Rosh who gives this shiur for Brine.
The Mechaber learns that this is a "super-charged" kavush because it's charif and therefore applies it to Vinegar as well. However, the Shach learns that it is a "super-charged" melicha that assers the whole thing (not just a k'dai klipa) therefore it does not apply to a davar charif at all. He brings a proof from a diff. Rosh that refer to the shiur melicha for vinegar as being 24hr. The Pr"M brings from the M"A an answer that there's a diff. bet. strong and regular vinegar (in which case a davar charif does make it kavush quickly).
However, the Badai hashulchan (from memory, I don't have it on hand) quotes the M"B (in hilchos pesach) that he is machria like the Shach (And therefore Davar charif plays no role in Kavush).

[myi]

Back to the original question:Whether or not a davar charif makes kavush quickly (the shiur of resicha- boiling) is a machlokes the Mechaber and the Shach.
 It is based off a Rosh who gives this shiur for Brine.
The Mechaber learns that this is a "super-charged" kavush because it's charif and therefore applies it to Vinegar as well. However, the Shach learns that it is a "super-charged" melicha that assers the whole thing (not just a k'dai klipa) therefore it does not apply to a davar charif at all. He brings a proof from a diff. Rosh that refer to the shiur melicha for vinegar as being 24hr. The Pr"M brings from the M"A an answer that there's a diff. bet. strong and regular vinegar (in which case a davar charif does make it kavush quickly).
However, the Badai hashulchan (from memory, I don't have it on hand) quotes the M"B (in hilchos pesach) that he is machria like the Shach (And therefore Davar charif plays no role in Kavush).

Shuir klali!
  Need to chazzer it over!
 But thanks for replying!

[Alexsei]

Never really paid close attention, but a sibling pointed out that one should not keep a metal spoon in the chrain used to put on your fish more than a few minutes.
   While you used the same spoon a few hours earlier to cook with a hot brisket.
 
    Is this in fact something one should avoid? And use plastic instead for the chrain? As it's a davar shebichariv and would be problematic when using for fish?

What about mayonnaise?

[yungermanchik]

What about mayonnaise?

Mayonnaise is not charif, so even according to the Mechaber, it can only be a problem if it's left inside for 24 hr. Even then (after 24 hours) it is not clear whether mayo is considered a davar lach to be considered kavush or not. (besides for the fact, that by then it's already Ta'am Pogum, so it would not be an issue B'dieved, so your whole Question is only relevant to putting it in with intent to leave it for a full 24hrs)

[Alexsei]

What's the story with Triangle K?
Looking at this https://www.nowfoods.com/supplements/quercetin-bromelain-veg-capsules

Mayonnaise is not charif, so even according to the Mechaber, it can only be a problem if it's left inside for 24 hr. Even then (after 24 hours) it is not clear whether mayo is considered a davar lach to be considered kavush or not. (besides for the fact, that by then it's already Ta'am Pogum, so it would not be an issue B'dieved, so your whole Question is only relevant to putting it in with intent to leave it for a full 24hrs)

Thanks.

[ExGingi]

What's the story with Triangle K?

Most heimishe hechsherim treat products certified by Triangle K the same as they would treat a product with no certification.

[Mtrasb]

What's the story with Triangle K?

Don't touch it with a ten foot pole.

It is a reform "hechsher" that amounts to nothing.

One example: they certified instant mashed potato mix that contains pig lard.

[pointer]

they certified instant mashed potato mix that contains pig lard.

Seriously? Wow!

Do you have a product link

[Mtrasb]

Do you have a product link

Sorry, no.

I heard this from someone in the kashrus industry.

[avromie7]

Don't touch it with a ten foot pole.

It is a reform "hechsher" that amounts to nothing.

One example: they certified instant mashed potato mix that contains pig lard.

-1

It is NOT reform. Rabbi Ralbag is a huge talmid chocham, however many of his halachik opinions are not accepted by mainstream poskim.

[PlatinumGuy]

It is a reform "hechsher" that amounts to nothing.

Excuse me?

It's run by an Orthodox Rabbi. Yes his standard are low, but not being machmir in Kashrus is not half as bad as מוציא שם רע

Most heimishe hechsherim treat products certified by Triangle K the same as they would treat a product with no certification.

I would never touch Triangle K, but the Israeli Rabbanut does consider it Kosher unlike some other organizations.

One example: they certified instant mashed potato mix that contains pig lard.

Could be situation where it was Batel. OU certifies aluminum pans even though some animal fats are used in production.

[yitzgar]

-1

It is NOT reform. Rabbi Ralbag is a huge talmid chocham, however many of his halachik opinions are not accepted by mainstream poskim.

+1

[Alexsei]

IINM Tums has a triangle K and is widely used

[avromie7]

IINM Tums has a triangle K and is widely used

It's diamond k. Tums is medicine, many (including R' Moshe) hold medicine doesn't need to be kosher.

[ExGingi]

Excuse me?

It's run by an Orthodox Rabbi. Yes his standard are low, but not being machmir in Kashrus is not half as bad as מוציא שם רע

+100000000000000000000

I would never touch Triangle K, but the Israeli Rabbanut does consider it Kosher unlike some other organizations. Could be situation where it was Batel. OU certifies aluminum pans even though

No essential difference than what I stated. Most Heimishe hechsherim won't take Israeli Rabbanut either. Triangle K and Rabbanut both certify based on low standards and might not have tight supervision.