Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[JMHO]

You can still delete it

He chose not to. I wonder why

[Essen est zich]

I was happy to see it back with the OU.

I bought today and it's changed to k/a

[EliJelly]

I bought today and it's changed to k/a

And in a phone call with the OU they confirmed they no longer certify it because it's now being processed in a non OU supervised facility. They ensured that it's still good enough though.

[rbs-g1.5]

I'm sorry to all those out there that i'm mamish going to ruin the next 5 days of their life but i can't control myself.
 
This is so wrong. For so many reasons.

Is your LOR by any chance Modern Orthodox?

P.S. Please do not answer this. This is a joke. A joke. You hear!

@Moshe Green
i defended you last week when people were in my mind unnecessarily accusing you of trolling. You seem to be working hard to prove me wrong. This joke was classic troll behavior  .

[Darth1]

IIUC canned tuna is different because there is nothing else that looks and smells like the finished product of canned tuna so you can use that as a siman. (Same would a apply to raw salmon as it is the only fish that has the distinct orange look) But I dont think you could apply that to tilapia.

[Moshe Green]

@Moshe Green
i defended you last week when people were in my mind unnecessarily accusing you of trolling. You seem to be working hard to prove me wrong. This joke was classic troll behavior  .

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that a troll would not let it be known beforehand that he was joking. Just like anyone who has an opinion other then ones own is not necessarily a troll also not everyone who has a sense of humor is one.

[aygart]

IIUC canned tuna is different because there is nothing else that looks and smells like the finished product of canned tuna so you can use that as a siman. (Same would a apply to raw salmon as it is the only fish that has the distinct orange look) But I dont think you could apply that to tilapia.

I have never heard that about tuna

[Essen est zich]

IIUC canned tuna is different because there is nothing else that looks and smells like the finished product of canned tuna so you can use that as a siman.

I heard the direct opposite.

See more in the link below.
https://sites.google.com/view/kashrusbeintheknow/audio-classes/fish-facts-part-2-scaleless-proof-less

[Yehuda57]

IIUC canned tuna is different because there is nothing else that looks and smells like the finished product of canned tuna so you can use that as a siman. (Same would a apply to raw salmon as it is the only fish that has the distinct orange look) But I dont think you could apply that to tilapia.

My father did hashgacha at tuna plants when I was a kid, and iirc, he had to examine every single fish that was going to be canned as it was possible for non kosher species to be mixed in.

[thaber]

My father did hashgacha at tuna plants when I was a kid, and iirc, he had to examine every single fish that was going to be canned as it was possible for non kosher species to be mixed in.

Salmon doesn't need simanim according to most because the flesh is distinctive. Doesn't apply to salmon and tilapia.
The QC (nowadays) at tuna plants is supposedly such that it's virtually impossible to have other species mixed in. (from a mashgiach in the field). That's what the OU relies on. Rav Moshe and many others disagree and say if the flesh isn't distinctive you need simanim regardless of the risk of cross contamination

[Darth1]

It seems like the consensus here is that I am wrong about canned tuna. I will try to relisten to the shiur I heard about the subject. I definitely heard that salmon can be identified without scales due to its unique look (assuming you know exactly what raw salmon is supposed to look like.)

I heard the direct opposite.
See more in the link below.
https://sites.google.com/view/kashrusbeintheknow/audio-classes/fish-facts-part-2-scaleless-proof-less

I listened to that shiur. He did say the OU did not require a mashgiach to check the tuna before they canned it (He said that about tilapia also so I am not sure what OUs reasoning is). He seemed to say salmon would be OK but said he was going to talk about it in the next shiur but the link wasnt working for that shiur.

If the facts were that there is nothing else that looks and smells liked canned tuna, why is that not a good enough siman?

My father did hashgacha at tuna plants when I was a kid, and iirc, he had to examine every single fish that was going to be canned as it was possible for non kosher species to be mixed in.

That is for sure lichatchila and a hashgacha should be doing its best job to make sure everything is mehadrin min hamihadrin.
The question is does it need to be checked meikar hadin?

[moko]

Salmon doesn't need simanim according to most because the flesh is distinctive.

can we get some more info on that? My experience has been quiet the opposite.

The QC (nowadays) at tuna plants is supposedly such that it's virtually impossible to have other species mixed in. (from a mashgiach in the field).

this varies wildly

[Essen est zich]

@Darth1 if you want rabbi zibells number, pm me. He responds pretty well on Whatsapp

[avromie7]

can we get some more info on that? My experience has been quiet the opposite.

I asked a rav who holds OU tuna is treif "Is there any reason not to buy OU salmon?" and he responded "No"

[EliJelly]

On whose psak is the OU relying regarding tuna?

[moko]

I asked a rav who holds OU tuna is treif "Is there any reason not to buy OU salmon?" and he responded "No"

and somehow that =

Salmon doesn't need simanim according to most because the flesh is distinctive.

[imayid2]

On whose psak is the OU relying regarding tuna?

Rav Ahron Kotler probably.

Rabbi Shachter has a piece about it in מסורה.

[aygart]

I asked a rav who holds OU tuna is treif "Is there any reason not to buy OU salmon?" and he responded "No"

It is definitely not the same shaylo

[aygart]

Rav Ahron Kotler probably.

Rabbi Shachter has a piece about it in מסורה.

And Rabbi Soloveitchik iirc

[aygart]

Salmon doesn't need simanim according to most because the flesh is distinctive. Doesn't apply to salmon and tilapia.
The QC (nowadays) at tuna plants is supposedly such that it's virtually impossible to have other species mixed in. (from a mashgiach in the field). That's what the OU relies on. Rav Moshe and many others disagree and say if the flesh isn't distinctive you need simanim regardless of the risk of cross contamination

For clarity, I am fairly certain that Rav Moshe does not discuss the flesh color.