Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[yungermanchik]

In essence is there anyone who would say it's fine to use for an infant when you wouldn't drink it yourself?

If the reason you don't drink it is because you feel that you personally have reached the madreigah of a Baal Nefesh, there is no way that a newborn has reached that madreigah yet.

[jfish227]

If the reason you don't drink it is because you feel that you personally have reached the madreigah of a Baal Nefesh, there is no way that a newborn has reached that madreigah yet.

just fyi the term baal nefesh is used in shas to mean someone who has an appetite. I believe the source is from mishlei

[Alexsei]

just fyi the term baal nefesh is used in shas to mean someone who has an appetite. I believe the source is from mishlei

In this context it's
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/25724

[EliJelly]

If the reason you don't drink it is because you feel that you personally have reached the madreigah of a Baal Nefesh, there is no way that a newborn has reached that madreigah yet.

Maybe the baby is destined to grow like משה רבינו. 

[imayid2]

In essence is there anyone who would say it's fine to use for an infant when you wouldn't drink it yourself?

Of course. It’s a chumra not to drink C’Y according to most litvesha poskim. When something is a chumra there is much more leeway for children than adults.

WIC covers C’S and not C’Y so that’s always a reason to want to be meikal. Boils down to one’s general view of C’S.

[koplonko]

WIC covers C’S and C’Y

Ftfy

[WayBackMachine]

Ftfy

not regularly, only if prescribed by doctor

[koplonko]

not regularly, only if prescribed by doctor

For me and countless others it just took one phone call

[WayBackMachine]

For me and countless others it just took one phone call

What do you tell them, we are makpid on CY?

[koplonko]

What do you tell them, we are makpid on CY?

It's called kosher

[koplonko]

It's called kosher
In the frum neighborhood they should know what your talking about. In other places we had to explain so they could look it up

[WAM]

(Same would a apply to raw salmon as it is the only fish that has the distinct orange look)

I heard that in the past, but then I heard (somewhere on ddf) that "baby salmon" is actually trout. Which is true?

[WayBackMachine]

I heard that in the past, but then I heard (somewhere on ddf) that "baby salmon" is actually trout. Which is true?

interesting,
I was sitting next to a guest in shull so I welcomed him and asked him what he does for a living, and we had this discussion about the color of salmon, he is a rav hamachshir in EY and he came for some expo/kashrus event not sure

so he mentioned that there is this rule that pink fish is bchezkas kashrus becuase only salmon has this color,
there was a study that checked why farmed raised salmon have a grayer color and wild salmon have a dark pink color and they found that the wild fish eat some food that makes them red,
so once this study was published fish farms started adding red dye to their feed so the flesh turns pink, which basicly raises concerns about the chazaka of the color

a quick google

Naturally, that salmon and most farm-raised fish would actually be gray-ish in color. Instead, to make the fish look more like their wild caught cousins, many farmers add food dyes to their fish feed.

so the OU went ahead and fed other random fish the same dye that they feed the farmed salmon and found that it only effects pink fish (which is salmon) to turn into a darker pink, but white fish would stay white.

from the OU

Only fish such as salmon and trout retain natural carotenes in their reddish-pinkish flesh.  Only fish that have the ability to store natural carotenes in their flesh can retain artificial carotenes, such as Hoffman-La Roche’s astaxanthin “Carophyll-pink”, in their flesh.  Other fish are not red because they do not store carotenes whether natural or artificial in their flesh. [4]

https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/salmon-colored-with-astaxanthin/


So to answer your question based on the OU article it seems that all pink fish are kosher which includes salmon and trout

he also mentioned that OU believes that there is no Bishul Akum on tuna since it's not olah al shulchen meluchim and its not cooked only steamed, and the use of salmon changed as well since a big percentage is used raw for sushi, but not everyone agrees with them.....

[WayBackMachine]

some more OU articles

https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/the-kashrus-of-skinless-salmon/

https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/color-additives-kashrus/


https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/fish/

[Moshe123]

interesting,
I was sitting next to a guest in shull so I welcomed him and asked him what he does for a living, and we had this discussion about the color of salmon, he is a rav hamachshir in EY and he came for some expo/kashrus event not sure

so he mentioned that there is this rule that pink fish is bchezkas kashrus becuase only salmon has this color,
there was a study that checked why farmed raised salmon have a grayer color and wild salmon have a dark pink color and they found that the wild fish eat some food that makes them red,
so once this study was published fish farms started adding red dye to their feed so the flesh turns pink, which basicly raises concerns about the chazaka of the color

a quick google
so the OU went ahead and fed other random fish the same dye that they feed the farmed salmon and found that it only effects pink fish (which is salmon) to turn into a darker pink, but white fish would stay white.

from the OUhttps://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/salmon-colored-with-astaxanthin/


So to answer your question based on the OU article it seems that all pink fish are kosher which includes salmon and trout

he also mentioned that OU believes that there is no Bishul Akum on tuna since it's not olah al shulchen meluchim and its not cooked only steamed, and the use of salmon changed as well since a big percentage is used raw for sushi, but not everyone agrees with them.....

How does the herring get the red color?

[WayBackMachine]

How does the herring get the red color?

i don't know
i don't know if the siman only applies when raw, not salted or cooked.
it could be there are lets say ten types of fish that are red but all are kosher, what type of fish is used in herring?
ask the ou, I'm sure they will have an answer
kosherq@ou.org

[zh cohen]

I wasn't in a frum neighborhood, and all I needed to do was ask

[imayid2]

So to answer your question based on the OU article it seems that all pink fish are kosher which includes salmon and trout.

FWIU there are fish that are pink which aren’t kosher but one can tell the difference in color. Someone sent me this a while ago. Not sure what type it is

[thaber]

FWIU there are fish that are pink which aren’t kosher but one can tell the difference in color. Someone sent me this a while ago. Not sure what type it is

commercially available and pink, not red, are key in this shita

[crongoj]

Does anyone have a contact number/email for Rav Bodner?