Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[ExGingi]

Does it make a difference if you are Gezhe?

Well, now you're asking a question that requires a little more details. If one is Gezhe, presuming the worms are also Gezhe, it could depend on which town your branch comes from. If you and the worms are from different town, or even worse - from the same town but from feuding branches, the worms will probably not even wait for סתימת הגולל to make sure you're totally gone.

[Essen est zich]

A updated List. Seems that there are a few minor. I'm not near a PC to share a screenshot. Also Im just posting this in case it may be helpful to someone.  changes.http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/641bc06eebb4f/Israel%20Kashrus%20Symbols%20-%20Final-%20Adar%205783-1.pdf

[ExGingi]

A updated List. Seems that there are a few minor. I'm not near a PC to share a screenshot. Also Im just posting this in case it may be helpful to someone.  changes.http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/641bc06eebb4f/Israel%20Kashrus%20Symbols%20-%20Final-%20Adar%205783-1.pdf

Updated (and reformatted) version (I don't vouch for anything here, only posting because a previous version was posted, and for my comments below).



Kind of ironic (if ignoring the top two) to find She'eris at the top right and BK on bottom left (in a list created by/for Anash of Lubavitch @aygart). While I am somewhat relieved by the fact BK doesn't mention Chabad in his symbol, everyone knows who he is, and unfortunately the consensus of experts in the field is that BK isn't good.

Also of note is the fact that a certain "Lubavitch" Hechsher is completely missing. Reminds me of a video of Motti Lipsker explaining why he carries three different brands of chicken (three different "Lubavitch" hashgochos) and the attitudes of various customers. This might tie into

Well, now you're asking a question that requires a little more details. If one is Gezhe, presuming the worms are also Gezhe, it could depend on which town your branch comes from. If you and the worms are from different town, or even worse - from the same town but from feuding branches, the worms will probably not even wait for סתימת הגולל to make sure you're totally gone.

[JMHO]

Another anonymously authored list.

FTFY

[rbs-g1.5]

FTFY

The same anonymous list

[JMHO]

The same anonymous list

Updated (and reformatted) version

[Moshe Green]

The same anonymous list

do you agree with this list? Do you differ? Have you done research? do you have a better list to offer? Please share!

[rbs-g1.5]

do you agree with this list? Do you differ? Have you done research? do you have a better list to offer? Please share!

I disagree with some of it but that's not the point. An anonymous list is worthless . I highly doubt that with your (or my) limited research you are capable of knowing whether all of the ratings are accurate. If I knew which expert it was published by ,then this list would be amazing. Until then its not worth the paper its printed on ,and under suspicion of being a michshol.

[TheAsh]

Updated (and reformatted) version (I don't vouch for anything here, only posting because a previous version was posted, and for my comments below).





Also of note is the fact that a certain "Lubavitch" Hechsher is completely missing.\

Which?

[TheAsh]

Updated (and reformatted) version (I don't vouch for anything here, only posting because a previous version was posted, and for my comments below).

Find it odd that Maor Hakashrus is on the same level of Rupshitz, when I know Maor has many mashgichim and is a real hashgacha (if lower standards), while Rupshitz is a "faxmachine" hechsher with no mashgichim whatsoever.

Also, if they are including Ropshitz, why didn't they include Mishkoltz and Keter Kashrus, two other unapproved hechsherim that I still see around?

[rbs-g1.5]

we can go on and on and on asking why each hechsher is listed in a specific category. I don't think efrati is as good as sheeris and rubin etc. etc.
If it is an experts opinion its an invaluable list. As long as its anonymous its as good as a collection of (some of) the kosher symbols in Eretz Yisroel. Its no worse then a napkin collection or stamp collection ,but its not much better either. At least napkins and stamps  have original and unique designs, these are all pretty similar.

[EliJelly]

why didn't they include Mishkoltz and Keter Kashrus, two other unapproved hechsherim that I still see around?

There is Mishkoltz in Israel too?

[yshad]

Why did Kehilos suddenly drop so far down the list?!

[Alexsei]

What I find odd is that Badat”z Igud Rabbanim Manchester is so far up, I generally hear they're much lower

[sky121]

This list just reminds me of why hechsherim cause such craziness. And the responses as well.  You're always going to have people wondering why what their Rav said is the best hechsher is so far down on the list and why one they were told isn't great is so high up.  Why are we passing around a list that has no information at all as to who wrote it?

[Moshe Green]

I disagree with some of it but that's not the point. An anonymous list is worthless . I highly doubt that with your (or my) limited research you are capable of knowing whether all of the ratings are accurate. If I knew which expert it was published by ,then this list would be amazing. Until then its not worth the paper its printed on ,and under suspicion of being a michshol.

So please point out which part you disagree with and your source. Is it your Rav that says that one or more of these Hechsherim is good/bad? Is there some other source? Please share!

Another thing. if your source is good then what help is this list even if it was put out by the biggest experts? The issue is not its anonymity, its the lack of knowledge on our part.
Moko, who seems to be an expert, seems to think that this list is ok with some tweeks. I invested around 50-100 hours in researching Hechsherim and think that this list is ok.
It's hard to see the "Michshal" in it, being that it says again and again to check with an expert...

[Moshe Green]

What I find odd is that Badat”z Igud Rabbanim Manchester is so far up, I generally hear they're much lower

MevinYavin AKA RB says that it depends if its in Israel or Chu"l.

[ExGingi]

we can go on and on and on asking why each hechsher is listed in a specific category. I don't think efrati is as good as sheeris and rubin etc. etc.
If it is an experts opinion its an invaluable list. As long as its anonymous its as good as a collection of (some of) the kosher symbols in Eretz Yisroel. Its no worse then a napkin collection or stamp collection ,but its not much better either. At least napkins and stamps  have original and unique designs, these are all pretty similar.

I've heard from an expert in the field that the top two tiers in this list make sense. Other tiers not necessarily (I would say even the red subtitles on those are extremely subjective and hard to decipher).

[TheAsh]

There is Mishkoltz in Israel too?

Yes
https://www.kosharot.co.il/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%90%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%9B%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA

Btw, I believe the above kosharot list should be added to the wiki.

[avromie7]

under suspicion of being a michshol.

Alternatively, it's LH or MSR.