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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4660 on: June 20, 2023, 09:55:15 AM »
What case are we discussing?. For example coffee from Starbucks is not made for you specifically so after it’s made it’s mutar lechatchila to purchase.
This is not clear at all that it is the true metzius and depends on the item and possibly location.

The RAkE is referring to when the buyer is unknown at the time it was made
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4661 on: June 20, 2023, 09:56:06 AM »
Correct but there would need to be another strong ספק. In this specific case we have one that qualifies ״חלב מדינותינו״
Meaning sfeika didina?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4662 on: June 20, 2023, 09:57:45 AM »

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4663 on: June 20, 2023, 10:00:55 AM »
This is not clear at all that it is the true metzius and depends on the item and possibly location.

The RAkE is referring to when the buyer is unknown at the time it was made
No, it is usually very much clear that’s being made for רוב גויים and RAkE (really a מהרש״ל  IIRC) would agree.


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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4664 on: June 20, 2023, 10:19:40 AM »
3. I also have notes about a birkei yosef 99 bringing from the ridvaz that it is called lichatchila
He is only talking about איסור בעין that got batul FWIU, so that wouldn’t be relevant to the cases we’ve been discussing. And even that, as you point out
the BY in 114 implies that it is bdieved
and more importantly, the Remah there.

Also see כף החיים סימן צ״ח ס״ק נ״ב
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4665 on: June 21, 2023, 02:42:43 PM »
Anyone aware of an issue with buying sweet potatoes in Israel now? Is it a Shamur/Ne'evad issue? Sefichin? Why specifically sweet potatoes? And are the Hashgachos not Makpid but individuals are? Thanks!

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4666 on: June 21, 2023, 03:09:30 PM »
You are assuming they are properly cleaned out and there is no issue of be'en. I don't know why you would assume that. Additionally washing utensils together in hot water...

There is a reason rita's has the hashgocha it does because no  reputable mainstream hashgocha would certify such a setup.
Be'en would be Batel.

Hot water is at best a safek on taam.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4667 on: June 21, 2023, 03:12:41 PM »
Be'en would be Batel.

Hot water is at best a safek on taam.
But giving a hechsher based on this would make it considered unreliable.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4668 on: June 21, 2023, 03:37:31 PM »
Anyone aware of an issue with buying sweet potatoes in Israel now? Is it a Shamur/Ne'evad issue? Sefichin? Why specifically sweet potatoes? And are the Hashgachos not Makpid but individuals are? Thanks!
They call it "nilkat beshminis" .Meaning it was planted in shviis (b'isur) but picked in shminis and therefore has no kedusha.AFAIK according to the chazon ish its muttar but some are makpid on shamur vneevad.  I think  the reason for it being specifically sweet potatoes is bec. they only approve it when there are no alternatives. Regular potatoes and other vegetables were available from chu"l until fresh ones were planted and grew. as in many shmitta shailos that hechsherim allow,they let you know what it is so you can make your own decision. (Similar to Rita's letting you know what is CS or DE ;) )

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4669 on: June 21, 2023, 03:40:09 PM »
You are assuming they are properly cleaned out and there is no issue of be'en. I don't know why you would assume that. Additionally washing utensils together in hot water...

There is a reason rita's has the hashgocha it does because no  reputable mainstream hashgocha would certify such a setup.
which keilim specifically are you concerned about them washing together and how would that affect pareve product?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4670 on: June 21, 2023, 03:46:30 PM »
how would that affect pareve product?
Or CY product

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4671 on: June 21, 2023, 03:50:11 PM »
Or CY product
I actually have more concerns with CY product than pareve. It's what's known in the industry as 'compatibles'
I would be hesitant to have CY and non CY available without CY being sealed or a Mashgiach/ working Mashgiach onsite.
If it were just a select few items that were not compatible, perhaps. But not two batch freezers

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4672 on: June 21, 2023, 03:55:36 PM »
I actually have more concerns with CY product than pareve. It's what's known in the industry as 'compatibles'
I would be hesitant to have CY and non CY available without CY being sealed or a Mashgiach/ working Mashgiach onsite.
If it were just a select few items that were not compatible, perhaps. But not two batch freezers
I think you’re saying that on a practical level they are more easily mixed up, I get that.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4673 on: June 21, 2023, 04:05:27 PM »
They call it "nilkat beshminis" .Meaning it was planted in shviis (b'isur) but picked in shminis and therefore has no kedusha.AFAIK according to the chazon ish its muttar but some are makpid on shamur vneevad.  I think  the reason for it being specifically sweet potatoes is bec. they only approve it when there are no alternatives. Regular potatoes and other vegetables were available from chu"l until fresh ones were planted and grew. as in many shmitta shailos that hechsherim allow,they let you know what it is so you can make your own decision. (Similar to Rita's letting you know what is CS or DE ;) )

Thanks! I was worried people would get mad at me for taking the conversation away from Rita's, so you saved me ;)
They haven't had enough time to grow Sheminis ones yet? Or not enough to satisfy demand? And if you are Machmir, does that mean you can't eat sweet potatoes at all for the time being?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4674 on: June 21, 2023, 05:09:08 PM »
Thanks! I was worried people would get mad at me for taking the conversation away from Rita's, so you saved me ;)
They haven't had enough time to grow Sheminis ones yet? Or not enough to satisfy demand? And if you are Machmir, does that mean you can't eat sweet potatoes at all for the time being?
I dont know . there was  a drop of very low quality expensive stuff pesach time and some chu'l months ago but many people i know havent had for a long time

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4675 on: June 22, 2023, 12:09:54 AM »
Got the exchange:




i think you misunderstood what he meant.
at the end he writes, "in summary all products are available in CY variety aside from a handful of toppings".
In other words, he means to say that there is nothing you cant get CY because even the things that are CS, they have a CY version. That does not mean that there are no CS versions.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4676 on: June 22, 2023, 12:22:01 AM »
i think you misunderstood what he meant.
at the end he writes, "in summary all products are available in CY variety aside from a handful of toppings".
In other words, he means to say that there is nothing you cant get CY because even the things that are CS, they have a CY version. That does not mean that there are no CS versions.
I hear what you're saying. You're probably right, though I presume the main point of the letter writer was to point out that much C'S is there so one needs to be prudent.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4677 on: June 22, 2023, 12:41:34 AM »
i think you misunderstood what he meant.
at the end he writes, "in summary all products are available in CY variety aside from a handful of toppings".
In other words, he means to say that there is nothing you cant get CY because even the things that are CS, they have a CY version. That does not mean that there are no CS versions.

Which would be a much bigger problem than if they didn't have the CS items in CY versions.


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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4678 on: June 22, 2023, 11:01:34 AM »
Which would be a much bigger problem than if they didn't have the CS items in CY versions.
agreed.
I think he was just upset that the person made it sound that חס ושלום there are some thing that you cant get there if you keep CY.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4679 on: June 22, 2023, 12:52:01 PM »
he was just upset that the person made it sound that חס ושלום there are some thing that you cant get there if you keep CY.
He also “just” straight up lied through his teeth in a national newspaper.

He wrote that it’s absolutely false that they use DE cones. Yet these are the cones that they use: