Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[avromie7]

This specific case is even better. If it’s a vadai eino Ben yomo what in the world is the tzad lhachmir??

Why is it vadai? You don't know what was in there yesterday.

[imayid2]

Why is it vadai? You don't know what was in there yesterday.

I’m talking about a case where you were able to verify the past 24 hours.

[thaber]

This specific case is even better. If it’s a vadai eino Ben yomo what in the world is the tzad lhachmir??
(Starbucks consists is a combination a factors, none which are an explicit Gemara though)

Why is it a vadai? They don't make popcorn and churros every day? ETA, If this was up thread and I missed it, sorry

It's odd that a couple of kashrus agencies became "the establishment" here.

Odd but true. AKO is the establishment.

[imayid2]

Why is it a vadai? They don't make popcorn and churros every day?

I’m talking about a case where you were able to verify the past 24 hours.

Whereas the response you got was you need the whole history. That is a טעות בדבר משנה

[thaber]

Whereas the response you got was you need the whole history. That is a טעות בדבר משנה

I'm out of these sugyos for a long time but if it's used daily wouldn't it be חוזר וניעור?

[aygart]

Maybe this is why they can't see it being allowed?

[imayid2]

Maybe this is why they can't see it being allowed?

Why?

[aygart]

Why?

ChN"N that you have been arguing for the last 2 weeks?
ETA: UNless you mean to go back and verify until there is a known 24 hours of disuse with no remaining b'ein. I guess that can be included in knowing complete history.

[imayid2]

ChN"N that you have been arguing for the last 2 weeks?

I had been talking about a case where you did not verify it’s kosher usage the last 24 hours.

[aygart]

I had been talking about a case where you did not verify it’s kosher usage the last 24 hours.

how does verifying kosher usage for the last 24 hours help regarding ChN"N? If it was within 24 hours you don't need ChN"N.

[imayid2]

I'm out of these sugyos for a long time but if it's used daily wouldn't it be חוזר וניעור?

This is taluy in the smak at the end of סימן ק״ג when the countdown starts. You also have לינת לילה here.

[imayid2]

how does verifying kosher usage for the last 24 hours help regarding ChN"N? If it was within 24 hours you don't need ChN"N.

The chanan I was talking about earlier was in regards to vegetable oil processed in a problematic way.

[avromie7]

Odd but true. AKO is the establishment.

For metzius they're definitely the establishment, but I wouldn't consider them the establishment for psak. We already know that everyone says starbucks coffee is kosher, whether or not to rely on that l'chatchilah is an AYLOR question.

[aygart]

The chanan I was talking about earlier was in regards to vegetable oil processed in a problematic way.

Why are they different?

[imayid2]

Why are they different?

Why are they the same?

[aygart]

This is taluy in the smak at the end of סימן ק״ג when the countdown starts. You also have לינת לילה here.

I wouldn't consider not buying from a concession stand makom hefsed. Why are you saying there is linas laylo?

[aygart]

Why are they the same?

They are both dealing with taam from oil that was bolaya taam issur.

[imayid2]

I wouldn't consider not buying from a concession stand makom hefsed. Why are you saying there is linas laylo?

Agree it’s not hefsed, but you don’t know it ever become treif…
Why wouldn’t it be Linas laylo?

[imayid2]

They are both dealing with taam from oil that was bolaya taam issur.

But in one case the issur is still taam lshvech and in the other it’s a separate sugya of bishul mayim.

[aygart]

Agree it’s not hefsed, but you don’t know it ever become treif…
Why wouldn’t it be Linas laylo?

Why are you saying it was unused overnight?