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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)

You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5240 on: September 07, 2023, 03:54:19 PM »
But in one case the issur is still taam lshvech and in the other itís a separate sugya of bishul mayim.
Please explain this. Why doesn't the oil plant have the same sugya involved?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5241 on: September 07, 2023, 03:58:29 PM »
Please explain this. Why doesn't the oil plant have the same sugya involved?
Maybe it does but it wasnít what I was talking about earlier. I was talking about a regular case where the kailim assured the oil.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5242 on: September 07, 2023, 03:59:11 PM »
Why are you saying it was unused overnight?
Why would you assume otherwise?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5243 on: September 07, 2023, 04:06:23 PM »
Why would you assume otherwise?
Because the vast majority of such venues if not all are open at night selling popcorn?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5244 on: September 07, 2023, 04:07:07 PM »
Because the vast majority of such venues if not all are open at night selling popcorn?
All night?
ETA ok I see linas layla needs from sunset. Still a factor for a place that closes before that.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 04:17:55 PM by imayid2 »

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5245 on: September 07, 2023, 04:24:25 PM »
Maybe it does but it wasnít what I was talking about earlier. I was talking about a regular case where the kailim assured the oil.

That is the "regular case" of oil without a hechsher?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5246 on: September 07, 2023, 04:27:42 PM »
That is the "regular case" of oil without a hechsher?
I have no idea. I was asking and speculating about what potentially could assur oil without a hechsher. You are right that that should be a factor too, it just wasnít mentioned till now.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5247 on: September 07, 2023, 04:28:28 PM »
Of course this is all only in a case where the equipment was clean during the overnight period. This is highly unlikely and is probably extremely difficult to accomplish.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5248 on: September 07, 2023, 04:29:53 PM »
I have no idea. I was asking and speculating about what potentially could assur oil without a hechsher. You are right that that should be a factor too, it just wasnít mentioned till now.

In that case then all R Abadi needs to hold is that you shouldn't speculate like this. You took a pretty strong stand for something based on speculation.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5249 on: September 07, 2023, 04:30:06 PM »
Of course this is all only in a case where the equipment was clean during the overnight period. This is highly unlikely and is probably extremely difficult to accomplish.
Why is linas layla only if itís clean? We are dealing with the bliyos.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5250 on: September 07, 2023, 04:30:39 PM »
In that case then all R Abadi needs to hold is that you shouldn't speculate like this. You took a pretty strong stand for something based on speculation.
I donít know what stance you are referring to.

Anyway, ignorance isnít always bliss. You may be required to find out, just because I donít know does not mean others donít have this information.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5251 on: September 07, 2023, 04:32:29 PM »
Why is linas layla only if itís clean? We are dealing with the bliyos.
Why would it be better than 24 hours where the mechaber says that bifeirush??
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5252 on: September 07, 2023, 04:36:09 PM »
Why would it be better than 24 hours where the mechaber says that bifeirush??
Why would it be worse than when there is 60x the residue, where the rema says itís totally fine??

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5253 on: September 07, 2023, 04:38:16 PM »
Why would it be worse than when there is 60x the residue, where the rema says itís totally fine??
Why do you think there is? They don't use a lot of oil in these machines. about a half cup to a cup. The layer of oil on bottom is very thin.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5254 on: September 07, 2023, 04:45:22 PM »
Why do you think there is? They don't use a lot of oil in these machines. about a half cup to a cup. The layer of oil on bottom is very thin.
If you were able to ensure no non kosher use for 24 hours presumably any residual non kosher oil would be battul at this point, being that there were multiple batches made with kosher oil by now.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5255 on: September 07, 2023, 04:46:53 PM »
If you were able to ensure no non kosher use for 24 hours presumably any residual non kosher oil would be battul at this point, being that there were multiple batches made with kosher oil by now.

They would ChNN each other.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5256 on: September 07, 2023, 04:48:30 PM »
They would ChNN each other.
Until 24 hours from the issur. Afterwards you start the bitul process, so after a few batches you should be fine.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5257 on: September 07, 2023, 04:51:02 PM »
Until 24 hours from the issur. Afterwards you start the bitul process, so after a few batches you should be fine.

We don't hold that ticha me'at becomes pagum.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5258 on: September 07, 2023, 04:51:54 PM »
We don't hold that ticha me'at becomes pagum.
Ok? it becomes battul in 60

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5259 on: September 07, 2023, 04:52:50 PM »
Ok? it becomes battul in 60
no it made Chn"n and now the second batch assers the third etc. That is the whole concept of ChNN
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