Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[thaber]

I have no idea. I was asking and speculating about what potentially could assur oil without a hechsher. You are right that that should be a factor too, it just wasn’t mentioned till now.

I'm told vegetable oil can have 2-3% animal derivatives without disclosing on ingredient panel and still be called vegetable oil.

[imayid2]

no it made Chn"n and now the second batch assers the third etc. That is the whole concept of ChNN

Ah gotcha, you’re concerned with chanan of the residue. So we need to get info if it would have 60x the first time around.

[imayid2]

I'm told vegetable oil can have 2-3% animal derivatives without disclosing on ingredient panel and still be called vegetable oil.

Sounds like a serious problem, if accurate.

So according to this, unless it’s confirmed that the oil was kosher in the past 24 hours, (not quite sure how that would be done), and there is 60x the residue, I don’t see why it would be permitted to eat the popcorn.

[avromie7]

Sounds like a serious problem, if accurate.

So according to this, unless it’s confirmed that the oil was kosher in the past 24 hours, (not quite sure how that would be done), and there is 60x the residue, I don’t see why it would be permitted to eat the popcorn.

Have you ever seen vegetable oil without a hechsher? I don't think it's very common.

What would be the incentive to add animal derivatives to the oil? Even if it's legal, there would need to be some incentive.

[imayid2]

Have you ever seen vegetable oil without a hechsher? I don't think it's very common.

What would be the incentive to add animal derivatives to the oil? Even if it's legal, there would need to be some incentive.

I don’t know the answers to how common or uncommon or why would a company do it. Certainly this info should play a role in figuring out if you have cause for concern that there was non kosher oil used within the past 24 hours, or at all.

[imayid2]

@aygart shouldn’t the residue be battul in the popcorn itself lshitashcha that it’s completely absorbed in the popcorn?

[chinagel]

No, I don't look down at anyone who eats something that is kosher l'chatchilah like C"S.

That's very different than

Is it kosher or not? If it is, what's wrong with eating it? The fact that you wouldn't feel comfortable eating it is just hergesh.

[avromie7]

That's very different than

Please explain your point

[aygart]

@aygart shouldn’t the residue be battul in the popcorn itself lshitashcha that it’s completely absorbed in the popcorn?

Meaning the kernels?

[imayid2]

Meaning the kernels?

I see. Still, kernels plus kosher oil likely has x60 residue.

[aygart]

I see. Still, kernels plus kosher oil likely has x60 residue.

Having done the math on pots and pans, I am not as convinced as you., but it is possible. All the kernels count because ni'er. There is also a very strong chance of more than just a thin residue.

[TheAsh]

OU certifies lab-grown meat:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-leading-kosher-authority-orthodox-union-certifies-lab-grown-meat/

NEW YORK — The Orthodox Union has certified a strain of lab-grown meat as kosher for the first time, marking a significant step forward for the food technology’s acceptance under Jewish dietary law.

Orthodox Union Kosher, the world’s largest and most influential kosher certification authority, recognized poultry products from Israeli startup SuperMeat as kosher, the company announced on Wednesday.

SuperMeat’s chicken cell line products were recognized as kosher Mehadrin meat, meeting the most stringent qualification for kosher supervision.

“It’s a big deal because just in terms of the technology itself, not just in poultry but in meat, it may have real significance for the future,” said Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO of the Orthodox Union Kosher Division.

The certification came after SuperMeat hosted two rabbinic delegations and kosher authorities held a series of discussions on halacha, or Jewish law, and the science involved in the company’s technology.

Certifying lab-grown meat is complicated because the meat cultivation process often starts with stem cells from living animals, and kosher law bars consuming any part of a living animal, Genack told The Times of Israel.

The New York-based Orthodox Union says meat products must come from a slaughtered animal, and nothing can be derived from a living creature.

SuperMeat’s lab-grown poultry sidesteps this requirement by taking the stem cells from eggs, in a process that could open the door for more kosher certification of poultry products.

“I hope it will be a gateway to trying to find consensus among different supervising agencies in terms of what the standards should be” for lab-grown meat, Genack said. “We’re hoping that this will set the trend. One of our goals that we would like to do is to have something that is universally accepted.”

“Aligning our technology with kosher dietary laws holds immense significance for us. This step represents our commitment to inclusivity and respect for diverse dietary needs, making our cultivated chicken meat accessible to audiences around the world,” Ido Savir, CEO of SuperMeat, said in a statement.

SuperMeat’s process takes chicken cells from a fertilized egg and plants them in a meat fermenter, providing the cells with warmth, oxygen and nourishment with a plant-based liquid. The cells mature into meat tissue as they would in a chicken’s body.

The meat grows rapidly, with its mass doubling in a matter of hours, the company says. When the meat is ready, it is harvested from the fermenter by removing the liquid feed.

The company says its chicken products have advantages over farmed meat because the process is animal-friendly, more streamlined and environmental, does not use antibiotics or genetic engineering, has a high level of quality control, and the products have a long shelf life because they eliminate slaughter, a major setting for contamination.

The company, founded in 2015, serves up its products to the public at an eatery called The Chicken in central Israel’s Ness Ziona.

In addition to Genack, SuperMeat hosted Rabbi Hershel Schachter of New York’s Yeshiva University, Israeli halachic judge Rabbi Asher Weiss, and Rabbi Yosef Zvi Rimon of the Gush Etzion Regional Council and Jerusalem College of Technology.

[aygart]

OU certifies lab-grown meat:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-leading-kosher-authority-orthodox-union-certifies-lab-grown-meat/

Since when does the OU have a hechsher level that they call Mehadrin?

[chinagel]

Please explain your point

There is very many examples of not eating food that may technically be Kosher. Unlike your first post insinuated. Not looking down at someone who eats such a food has nothing to do with if there could be a reason not to.

[avromie7]

There is very many examples of not eating food that may technically be Kosher. Unlike your first post insinuated. Not looking down at someone who eats such a food has nothing to do with if there could be a reason not to.

You mean like non-glatt or non-BY for sfardim? I'm not understanding your point. You brought up CS, and I'm not sure why .

[Alexsei]

Is sunlight rinse aid ok to use ? Don't see any symbol

[chessman1]

Is sunlight rinse aid ok to use ? Don't see any symbol

Are you makpid on only using kosher dish soap generally? Otherwise, I suspect the rinse aid is just as inedible.

[Essen est zich]

PSA. Share with everyone! Read the note

[yitzgar]

PSA. Share with everyone! Read the note

So they do a separate py run for trader joes? That is interesting.
On a separate note, any idea about the yoshon status of trader Joe's stuff?

[Essen est zich]

On a separate note, any idea about the yoshon status of trader Joe's stuff?

I think you need to reach out to ask the hechser certifiers for each item.