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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5360 on: September 28, 2023, 08:29:40 PM »
Yes Rav Moshe is meikal on all bishul in factories.
Incorrect, he only says that we need not protest those who are matir, despite the fact that it is not a heter barur.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5361 on: September 28, 2023, 08:34:17 PM »
Incorrect, he only says that we need not protest those who are matir, despite the fact that it is not a heter barur.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=318
Incorrect, there is a letter he dictated (printed in רבבות אפרים?) in which he is straightforwardly meikal IIRC. I heard independently such from Rabbi Fuerst.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5362 on: September 28, 2023, 08:51:08 PM »
Incorrect, there is a letter he dictated (printed in רבבות אפרים?) in which he is straightforwardly meikal IIRC. I heard independently such from Rabbi Fuerst.
I heard from the recipient of the original tshuva, his son, Rav Reuven, like I (and the tshuva) said. It is for that reason that his talmidim do not eat OU potato chips. (Because someone called and found out OU's policy despite the fact that Rav Moshe said that you're not required to ask.)
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5363 on: September 28, 2023, 10:31:30 PM »
I heard from the recipient of the original tshuva, his son, Rav Reuven, like I (and the tshuva) said.
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Truthfully itís not a contradiction. He held it was a big sevara to be meikal, that doesnít mean he held that לכתחילה one should be somech on it.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5364 on: September 28, 2023, 10:41:53 PM »
I heard from the recipient of the original tshuva, his son, Rav Reuven, like I (and the tshuva) said. It is for that reason that his talmidim do not eat OU potato chips. (Because someone called and found out OU's policy despite the fact that Rav Moshe said that you're not required to ask.)
Potato chips has another component to it, I'm sure it has been discussed here already.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5365 on: September 28, 2023, 11:17:34 PM »
Yet

Truthfully itís not a contradiction. He held it was a big sevara to be meikal, that doesnít mean he held that לכתחילה one should be somech on it.
You highlighted the wrong part. The כתוב השלישי ויכריע ביניהם Is The very end right before he brings from מנחת יצחק
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5366 on: September 28, 2023, 11:21:02 PM »
You highlighted the wrong part. The כתוב השלישי ויכריע ביניהם Is The very end right before he brings from מנחת יצחק
I highlighted that for a specific reason.

Anyway, potato chips arenít made in commercial machines? I guess he assumed not. I hear your solution, probably true.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5367 on: September 28, 2023, 11:35:03 PM »
I highlighted that for a specific reason.

Anyway, potato chips arenít made in commercial machines? I guess he assumed not. I hear your solution, probably true.
No it is a big rectangular pot of oil with a conveyor belt going through it. It obviously has much more scale and automation but is basically the same as frying at home. Nothing far out like the direct steam injection he describes.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5368 on: September 28, 2023, 11:42:01 PM »
Isnít that based on Rí Moshe? I seem to remember a shiur from Harav @aygart on this subject.

Steam is discussed much earlier than Rav Moshe. The OU will put the shita of Rav Moshe above together with those who are matir with steam to be matir.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5369 on: September 29, 2023, 02:21:37 AM »
Great! This (out of date ZNT) just proves the general accuracy of the unsigned list .
ZNT Level two: Kehilos - USL Level five.

IIRC Kehillos was higher on USL on an older list. This makes sense (especially as the ZNT list is also older - I wonder where Kehillos is now), Rabbi Kuber was more approving about Kehillos before and less into it now.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5370 on: September 29, 2023, 05:00:28 AM »
IIRC Kehillos was higher on USL on an older list. This makes sense (especially as the ZNT list is also older - I wonder where Kehillos is now), Rabbi Kuber was more approving about Kehillos before and less into it now.
I remember Kehillos as a small little Hechsher and then BOOM! all the restaurants started taking it... it just seems fishy to me... If they had such high standards then they wouldn't be such a draw...

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5371 on: September 30, 2023, 04:56:20 PM »
IIRC Kehillos was higher on USL on an older list. This makes sense (especially as the ZNT list is also older - I wonder where Kehillos is now), Rabbi Kuber was more approving about Kehillos before and less into it now.

Kehillos merged/was taken over by Belz, and therefore aquired many of the problems of belz

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5372 on: October 01, 2023, 04:39:36 AM »
I remember Kehillos as a small little Hechsher and then BOOM! all the restaurants started taking it... it just seems fishy to me... If they had such high standards then they wouldn't be such a draw...
IIRC (again) they simply capitalized on a string of restaurants that lost Rubin for technical reasons (but not Kashrus reasons). At least that was the case for the three stores by the Mir that lost Rubin and got Kehillos. At the time Rav Rubin was downsizing, then something changed and he started getting new restaurants again.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5373 on: October 01, 2023, 06:57:18 AM »
IIRC (again) they simply capitalized on a string of restaurants that lost Rubin for technical reasons (but not Kashrus reasons). At least that was the case for the three stores by the Mir that lost Rubin and got Kehillos. At the time Rav Rubin was downsizing, then something changed and he started getting new restaurants again.
I understand that, but i've seen it in many places. Many new restaurants also went for Kehillos instead of Rubin...
And also, why did those places that lost Rubin not go for Landau, Sheiris, or Bedat"z? The answer is pretty obvious, the lower price of chicken/meat and the lower standards of required Kashrus.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5374 on: October 01, 2023, 01:54:01 PM »
I understand that, but i've seen it in many places. Many new restaurants also went for Kehillos instead of Rubin...
And also, why did those places that lost Rubin not go for Landau, Sheiris, or Bedat"z? The answer is pretty obvious, the lower price of chicken/meat and the lower standards of required Kashrus.

I dont know of any resturants in JLM with either Landua or Sheiris (Aside from Sova bakery, but thats just because they get alltheir stuff from a central Landua plant)
Eida is significantly more expensive than other hechsherim.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5375 on: October 01, 2023, 01:56:52 PM »
IIRC (again) they simply capitalized on a string of restaurants that lost Rubin for technical reasons (but not Kashrus reasons). At least that was the case for the three stores by the Mir that lost Rubin and got Kehillos. At the time Rav Rubin was downsizing, then something changed and he started getting new restaurants again.

Rubin wasnt downsizing beshita - Kehilos was the poretz geder that gave hechsherim to places that didn't want to be considerate of the residential neighborhood they were located in. (which is another reason not to touch them...)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5376 on: October 02, 2023, 01:50:31 AM »
I understand that, but i've seen it in many places. Many new restaurants also went for Kehillos instead of Rubin...
And also, why did those places that lost Rubin not go for Landau, Sheiris, or Bedat"z? The answer is pretty obvious, the lower price of chicken/meat and the lower standards of required Kashrus.

1) price

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5377 on: October 02, 2023, 05:32:43 AM »
1) price
Agreed.
And they charge less because:
Most probably they do less.
So its less of a Hechsher...

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5378 on: October 02, 2023, 05:36:06 AM »
Agreed.
And they charge less because:
Most probably they do less.
So its less of a Hechsher...

Not necessarily at all. Some local chasidish BP hechsherim are very good and far cheaper than OU simply because they're more local.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5379 on: October 02, 2023, 08:57:25 AM »
Not necessarily at all. Some local chasidish BP hechsherim are very good and far cheaper than OU simply because they're more local.
Kehillos is not local. It's a national Hechsher from Dan til Eilat.
A restaurateur wants mainly a Hechsher that will attract his clientele and also not drive him crazy.
Rubin is very Makpid that things are run the way they like it. (Heard first hand from someone who had them as their Rav Hamachshir)
I think we can safely assume that Kehillos does not.