Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[Alexsei]

My LOR says no sifting required if flour was produced <45 days ago or if kept in the freezer from <45 days of production. Our local supermarket buys the flour from a local facility and they post the production date of each batch.

[dasmo801]

What brand flour and what was the date on it?

Brand was Glicks. I don't have the date here but i think it was 4/24 or maybe 6/24

[dasmo801]

My LOR says no sifting required if flour was produced <45 days ago or if kept in the freezer from <45 days of production. Our local supermarket buys the flour from a local facility and they post the production date of each batch.

i think the bag only has an expiration date, not a production date.

[aygart]

PSA: I was never makpid to sift flour. This past Friday afternoon, after baking a batch of challos and cakes, we found numerous bugs in the remaining flour. Yesterday we bought a sifter and opened another bag of flour. Found a few more bugs.

Each time I've seen this happen it was traced back to the same stores.

[imayid2]

Each time I've seen this happen it was traced back to the same stores.

Do most people who sift flour patronize a specific store?

[aygart]

Do most people who sift flour patronize a specific store?

Do most people who sift flour find insects? I know that I have heard from many who have never found anything.
Note that i used the plural "stores"

[imayid2]

Do most people who sift flour find insects? I know that I have heard from many who have never found anything.

Not sure what this has to do but the answer is no, most people don't find most of the time because generaly it's not an issue.

Note that i used the plural "stores"

That makes more sense as fwiu it's more likely to originate by the distributor who services multiple stores.

[aygart]

Not sure what this has to do but the answer is no, most people don't find most of the time because generaly it's not an issue.That makes more sense as fwiu it's more likely to originate by the distributor who services multiple stores.

Almost all of the frum stores are from the same distribution networks yet experience has shown that the vast majority of case are from some specific stores that seemingly do not properly rotate stock.

[imayid2]

yet experience has shown that the vast majority of case are from some specific stores that seemingly do not properly rotate stock.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I don’t know what you are basing this on, I do know that I’ve heard this in situations where in wasn’t true

[aygart]

Perhaps, perhaps not. I don’t know what you are basing this on, I do know that I’ve heard this in situations where in wasn’t true

It is an experience I have seen and also was told to me by some local rabbonim.

[imayid2]

It is an experience I have seen and also was told to me by some local rabbonim.

I can’t comment on that because I don’t know the details. What I do know is that flour specifically is known to be affected by certain distributors more than others. And that certain stores are more likely to have consumers who sift flour.

[aygart]

I can’t comment on that because I don’t know the details. What I do know is that flour specifically is known to be affected by certain distributors more than others. And that certain stores are more likely to have consumers who sift flour.

Those both make sense as well as that some stores are more likely to properly rotate stock than others.

[Moshe Green]

Do most people who sift flour find insects? I know that I have heard from many who have never found anything.
Note that i used the plural "stores"

We used to sift flour (now we buy pre-sifted) and in 5-7 years, we never found an insect. I don't know if this has any Halachic implications, but that's what our experience was...

[aygart]

We used to sift flour (now we buy pre-sifted) and in 5-7 years, we never found an insect. I don't know if this has any Halachic implications, but that's what our experience was...

It tells you that it is unlikely a miut hamatzuy

[rbs-g1.5]

It tells you that it is unlikely a miut hamatzuy, in a store/area that expects people to check for bugs

FTFY

[aygart]

FTFY

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

[rbs-g1.5]

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

that it may be a miut hamatzui in places where non-checkers shop

[avromie7]

that it may be a miut hamatzui in places where non-checkers shop

You're making this up without any evidence.

[aygart]

that it may be a miut hamatzui in places where non-checkers shop

The bugs know to go there?

[rbs-g1.5]

The bugs know to go there?

The store has no incentive to purchase fresh and to rotate stock