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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5740 on: January 31, 2024, 08:18:44 AM »
I think even Reb Reuven wouldn't eat Cupk or ikc. But there's a huge widespread difference between that and not trusting that matzoh someone gave you is kosher.

I agree that matzo may not be the best example.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5741 on: January 31, 2024, 09:20:04 AM »
talk about jumping to conclusion and spewing nonsense....we also have vidui for that.
How many local vaadim provide at cost or kashrus at a loss.
I know we we and others who do.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5742 on: January 31, 2024, 09:27:29 AM »
Assuming there aren't specific brands that you don't eat there is little to be concerned about if someone gives you matza. But for a product that is more sensitive and you have certain standards, it makes no sense to drop them just bec someone else is giving it to you. Unless you have good reason to assume he knows and is capable of meeting it.

It's a metahalacha thing. I know people personally who were told firsthand by ר שלמה זלמן אורך זצ"ל to eat in houses that were רבנות (not.even mehadrin!) to maintain shalom.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5743 on: January 31, 2024, 09:30:50 AM »
It's a metahalacha thing. I know people personally who were told firsthand by ר שלמה זלמן אורך זצ"ל to eat in houses that were רבנות (not.even mehadrin!) to maintain shalom.

A הוראה פרטית is not a הוראה כללית.
(and vice versa...)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5744 on: January 31, 2024, 09:31:12 AM »
It's a metahalacha thing. I know people personally who were told firsthand by ר שלמה זלמן אורך זצ"ל to eat in houses that were רבנות (not.even mehadrin!) to maintain shalom.
I have no idea what they were eating and how serious of a concern of Kashrus there was for it. Nor do I know the details of how much of a shaas hadchak it was for them to have to compromise.
So kind of a worthless anecdote.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5745 on: January 31, 2024, 09:37:55 AM »
A הוראה פרטית is not a הוראה כללית.
(and vice versa...)

For sure. But the point stands. There's a balance between trying to keep all your chumras and not trusting anyone (or questioning anyone).

When it comes.to me buying from a factory or a restaurant there's no inyan of shalom, so I am quite makpid on my hechsherim. (Shout out to @moko for being such a help). But should it come to trusting other people in their homes, that's a situation analogous to חז"ל. I'm not going to question a frum yid.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5746 on: January 31, 2024, 09:45:18 AM »
Assuming there aren't specific brands that you don't eat there is little to be concerned about if someone gives you matza. But for a product that is more sensitive and you have certain standards, it makes no sense to drop them just bec someone else is giving it to you. Unless you have good reason to assume he knows and is capable of meeting it.
My standard is to follow the torah. When the torah says eid echad is ne'eman, I follow that.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5747 on: January 31, 2024, 09:45:30 AM »
For sure. But the point stands. There's a balance between trying to keep all your chumras and not trusting anyone (or questioning anyone).

When it comes.to me buying from a factory or a restaurant there's no inyan of shalom, so I am quite makpid on my hechsherim. (Shout out to @moko for being such a help). But should it come to trusting other people in their homes, that's a situation analogous to חז"ל. I'm not going to question a frum yid.
It’s not analogous to Chazal as noted above.

It’s not a matter of “not questioning” when you have no reason to assume he’s keeping a standard you think it’s important. You’re basically saying you compromise on those standards out of your home. Obviously that depends on the חומר of the specific standard.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5748 on: January 31, 2024, 09:46:04 AM »
My standard is to follow the torah. When the torah says eid echad is ne'eman, I follow that.
Explained above multiple times why this is deeply flawed.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5749 on: January 31, 2024, 09:55:54 AM »
My standard is to follow the torah. When the torah says eid echad is ne'eman, I follow that.

IIRC we have previously gone through a number of the gedolei haposkim who don't take eid echad neeman to mean the way R Reuven is saying it and is what I meant when I wrote that
As has been discussed many times, this is a "shvere R Reuven" and while you are following your Rebbi, it makes sense for everyone else to follow the many poskim who disagree and go with what seems to be the pashute halacha.
The insinuation that everyone else is going against something in the torah is disingenuous. It is R Reuven who is being the mechadesh here not everyone else.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5750 on: January 31, 2024, 09:57:14 AM »


You've posted this a few times and continuously fail to address the actual points being made. The eid echad is neeman as to what s/he is being meid about. If a hechsher or individual doesn't maintain certain standards that I do, and that hechsher says something is kosher, I'm not going against eid echad if I don't eat it, they are neeman that it is kosher *according to their standards*. It's not about distrust of a friend, it's more like "when someone shows you you who they are, believe them."

If someone is passionate about the heterim for chalav stam and thinks I'm being ridiculous for being makpid on Chalav Yisroel, an I going against this psak if I don't eat in his house when he assures me the food is "100% kosher"?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5751 on: January 31, 2024, 10:01:21 AM »
You've posted this a few times and continuously fail to address the actual points being made. The eId echad is neeman as to what s/he is being meid about. If a hechsher or individual doesn't maintain certain standards that I do, and that hechsher says something is kosher, I'm not going against eId echad if I don't eat it, they are neeman that it is kosher *according to their standards*. It's not about distrust of a friend, it's more like "when someone shows you you who they are, believe them."

If someone is passionate about the heterim for chalav stam and thinks I'm being ridiculous for being makpid on Chalav Yisroel, an I going against this psak if I don't eat in his house when he assures me the food is "100% kosher"?


If he knows that you don't eat cholov stam then we assume that he won't give it to you to eat. (although part of the controversies with R Abadi was that he didn't do this. So I guess if Rav Abadi gave you a random piece of gum, are you allowed to eat it?)
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5752 on: January 31, 2024, 10:02:16 AM »
You've posted this a few times and continuously fail to address the actual points being made. The eId echad is neeman as to what s/he is being meid about. If a hechsher or individual doesn't maintain certain standards that I do, and that hechsher says something is kosher, I'm not going against eId echad if I don't eat it, they are neeman that it is kosher *according to their standards*. It's not about distrust of a friend, it's more like "when someone shows you you who they are, believe them."

If someone is passionate about the heterim for chalav stam and thinks I'm being ridiculous for being makpid on Chalav Yisroel, an I going against this psak if I don't eat in his house when he assures me the food is "100% kosher"?
yevamos 14a
תָּא שְׁמַע: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵלּוּ אוֹסְרִים וְאֵלּוּ מַתִּירִים — לֹא נִמְנְעוּ בֵּית שַׁמַּאי מִלִּישָּׂא נָשִׁים מִבֵּית הִלֵּל, וְלֹא בֵּית הִלֵּל מִבֵּית שַׁמַּאי. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא לֹא עָשׂוּ, מִשּׁוּם הָכִי לֹא נִמְנְעוּ. אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ עָשׂוּ, אַמַּאי לֹא נִמְנְעוּ?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5753 on: January 31, 2024, 10:08:09 AM »
If he knows that you don't eat cholov stam then we assume that he won't give it to you to eat. (although part of the controversies with R Abadi was that he didn't do this. So I guess if Rav Abadi gave you a random piece of gum, are you allowed to eat it?)
I’m not sure if this applies to someone who believes the whole chumra is ridiculous and a mistake.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5754 on: January 31, 2024, 10:10:34 AM »
I’m not sure if this applies to someone who believes the whole chumra is ridiculous and a mistake.

If there was someone who I knew was makpid on worms in fish I wouldn't give him herring or wild salmon.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5755 on: January 31, 2024, 10:11:45 AM »
If there was someone who I knew was makpid on worms in fish I wouldn't give him herring or wild salmon.
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But that doesn’t mean he can assume that without asking. Unless he knows you well enough to know that.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5756 on: January 31, 2024, 10:17:44 AM »
Lol
But that doesn’t mean he can assume that without asking. Unless he knows you well enough to know that.

IIRC that is not how the poskim assume.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5757 on: January 31, 2024, 10:19:21 AM »
IIRC that is not how the poskim assume.
IIRC this unique scenario isn’t addressed by the poskim, at least not widely, so I don’t think that’s true.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5758 on: January 31, 2024, 10:25:35 AM »
If he knows that you don't eat cholov stam then we assume that he won't give it to you to eat. (although part of the controversies with R Abadi was that he didn't do this. So I guess if Rav Abadi gave you a random piece of gum, are you allowed to eat it?)

As we see from the seifa, we know the reisha is not true. My hypothetical is that he's saying "it is 100% kosher" not that "it is Chalav Yisroel," because he maintains that it doesn't need to be CY to be "100% kosher" and I can eat it.

But even this is willful "deceipt."My main point, and the one under discussion is what is for more likely and common: an "eidus" that is based on ignorance of either halacha or food production. It's hard to imagine that R' Feinstein's psak is referring to such instances, even as a daas yachid.

yevamos 14a
תָּא שְׁמַע: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵלּוּ אוֹסְרִים וְאֵלּוּ מַתִּירִים — לֹא נִמְנְעוּ בֵּית שַׁמַּאי מִלִּישָּׂא נָשִׁים מִבֵּית הִלֵּל, וְלֹא בֵּית הִלֵּל מִבֵּית שַׁמַּאי. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא לֹא עָשׂוּ, מִשּׁוּם הָכִי לֹא נִמְנְעוּ. אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ עָשׂוּ, אַמַּאי לֹא נִמְנְעוּ?
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Again, this is willful. The questions being discussed are predominantly not so

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5759 on: January 31, 2024, 10:28:53 AM »
IIRC this unique scenario isn’t addressed by the poskim, at least not widely, so I don’t think that’s true.
that is not the simple reading of RMA YD119:7 (see ShaCh 20 there)
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