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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source


cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list


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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5780 on: January 31, 2024, 01:14:02 PM »
if you don't know the person, and to you their both anonymous, what's the difference?
One I meet and see he's clearly frum.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5781 on: January 31, 2024, 01:58:52 PM »
One I meet and see he's clearly frum.
no different than a store. Hi can meet the owner/manager

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5782 on: January 31, 2024, 02:21:30 PM »
no different than a store. Hi can meet the owner/manager
How many people go to meet the store manager?

Is the store manager attesting to the kashrus of everything he sells?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5783 on: January 31, 2024, 02:57:44 PM »
Harav Reuven Feinstein would eat it.

Would he eat homemade cake/bread at the house of a chossid without making sure it's yoshon? (assuming he's makpid on yoshon)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5784 on: January 31, 2024, 03:03:07 PM »
First tshuva in Maharam Shick, written to the Ksav Sofer. 

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5785 on: January 31, 2024, 03:14:58 PM »
Would he eat homemade cake/bread at the house of a chossid without making sure it's yoshon? (assuming he's makpid on yoshon)
Why chossid?

R Moshe was at a bris on Pesach and the baal simcha bought special matzah for R Moshe based on what R Moshe was makpid on. R Moshe refused to eat them and said something along the lines of "I'm not better than everyone else".
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5786 on: January 31, 2024, 03:16:42 PM »
How many people go to meet the store manager?

Is the store manager attesting to the kashrus of everything he sells?
1. plenty of people aren't meeting owners of home business many are long distance transactions like food for their child in yeshiva /seminary or people ordering food for vacation. In fact that's who many of these businesses are catering to.
2. I sure hope so. If not, that should speak to their neemanus unless your talking about packaged products with hashgacha. But if store sells takeout and the owner doesn't stand behind the kashrus, that would be bizarre.


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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5787 on: January 31, 2024, 03:21:51 PM »
Why chossid?

R Moshe was at a bris on Pesach and the baal simcha bought special matzah for R Moshe based on what R Moshe was makpid on. R Moshe refused to eat them and said something along the lines of "I'm not better than everyone else".

Yoshon is halacha for those who're makpid, not just a chumra. By chassidim the Bach's heter was accepted. Now would he eat without making sure it's yoshon?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5788 on: January 31, 2024, 03:25:02 PM »
Would he eat homemade cake/bread at the house of a chossid without making sure it's yoshon? (assuming he's makpid on yoshon)
He's not.
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5789 on: January 31, 2024, 03:38:08 PM »
1. plenty of people aren't meeting owners of home business many are long distance transactions like food for their child in yeshiva /seminary or people ordering food for vacation. In fact that's who many of these businesses are catering to.
2. I sure hope so. If not, that should speak to their neemanus unless your talking about packaged products with hashgacha. But if store sells takeout and the owner doesn't stand behind the kashrus, that would be bizarre.
Are people buying from random home made shops without knowing who is making it? Or are they buying from "Mrs so and so, her husband is in Rabbi Berkowitzs kollel"

I'm not sure what type of products we're discussing, I thought it's prepackaged on a shelf.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5790 on: January 31, 2024, 03:39:52 PM »
Yoshon is halacha for those who're makpid, not just a chumra. By chassidim the Bach's heter was accepted. Now would he eat without making sure it's yoshon?
Chumros would be a bigger issue than halacha. The person is giving eidus that they follow halacha, not your chumros.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5791 on: January 31, 2024, 03:41:53 PM »
Chumros would be a bigger issue than halacha. The person is giving eidus that they follow halacha, not your chumros.

Unless they know you are machmir. RMA YD119:7
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5792 on: January 31, 2024, 03:42:44 PM »
Iirc he writes (or has said) that he wouldn’t eat in a yungerman in Lakewoods house who isn’t makpid on zeiya in their ovens.

What’s the difference?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5793 on: January 31, 2024, 03:54:09 PM »
Iirc he writes (or has said) that he wouldn’t eat in a yungerman in Lakewoods house who isn’t makpid on zeiya in their ovens.

What’s the difference?

Does this mean that before he eats at a Lakewood Yungerman he will ask them?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5794 on: January 31, 2024, 03:58:08 PM »
Does this mean that before he eats at a Lakewood Yungerman he will ask them?
Dunno, how would he be allowed to ask, he would be basically arguing with the Torah….

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5795 on: January 31, 2024, 05:29:36 PM »
Dunno, how would he be allowed to ask, he would be basically arguing with the Torah….

So presumably he wouldn't ask which would make sense according to his mechudashdike understanding.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5796 on: January 31, 2024, 09:10:41 PM »
So presumably he wouldn't ask which would make sense according to his mechudashdike understanding.
@avromie7 can you post that page?
Don’t remember the exact details but I don’t think it conforms with the extent you’ve presented his position.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5797 on: January 31, 2024, 09:28:11 PM »
@avromie7 can you post that page?
Don’t remember the exact details but I don’t think it conforms with the extent you’ve presented his position.
I see why you would think that, but he doesn't say that he would ask what they do.


@EliJelly  While looking for that, I found this page with the story about the bris I posted earlier and it includes a story about yoshon.




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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5798 on: January 31, 2024, 10:19:56 PM »
I see why you would think that, but he doesn't say that he would ask what they do.
Thanks for posting that.

So I don’t see at all how you can claim he would eat gum from Rav Abadi. It’s the same thing, assuming he doesn’t accept the position that him doesn’t need to be kosher (without getting into technicalities of if RA knows RR is machmir we assume he’s accommodating that. Could say the same for the oven scenario)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5799 on: February 01, 2024, 12:17:05 AM »
It’s not analogous to Chazal as noted above.

It’s not a matter of “not questioning” when you have no reason to assume he’s keeping a standard you think it’s important. You’re basically saying you compromise on those standards out of your home. Obviously that depends on the חומר of the specific standard.

Essentially yes, though I submit that Chazal are ok with it too. That's why they allowed one eid.
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