Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[aygart]

From Rabbi Nathanson regarding Nature's Bakery Gluten Free products:

"I was just assigned to one of their plants and today I was able to go thru the production process in person with their staff. The oats are in the filling, not the dough, so there is _no pas yisroel issue_."

That makes it a bishul yisroel issue instead

[Essen est zich]

That makes it a bishul yisroel issue instead

Why?

[aygart]

It sounds like you don't have an eid echad unless you know or research who made the product or who this caterer is. I don't think that is common in The US. People selling home made baked goods is much more common and sales are typically done by word of mouth.

Sounds similar to what can happen with some party planners per above.

[avromie7]

Sounds similar to what can happen with some party planners per above.

Unless you know the party planner and the party planner is the eid.

ETA: I don't mean you need to be friends with the party planner, but you need to at least know they are frum.

[imayid2]

Why doesn’t Rav Reuvain eat triangle k?

Rabbi Ralbag is frum.

[Essen est zich]

https://mishpacha.com/step-up-to-the-plate/

Mostly the second half of the article. Some excerpts:

“It’s a complete hefker velt out there with the party planners,” says Rabbi Tzvi Fischer, rosh havaad of Oregon Kosher. He was recently in Monsey for a wedding, when a scrumptious dessert table was rolled out featuring a mouthwatering display of yodels, brownies, mini cakes, and cupcakes. Rabbi Fischer, who is intimately familiar with kashrus matters, knew to ask the hall’s mashgiach if the dessert table was under his hashgachah. When the fellow replied in the negative, Rabbi Fischer asked how he could certify the hall and not the dessert table, only to be told that “alleh veissen — everyone knows” — that the dessert tables aren’t under his purview, but are the responsibility of the party planner.

Rabbi Fischer approached the party planner, who admitted that she didn’t have a hashgachah herself, but that she only bought her products from “heimish people.” Rabbi Fischer then asked if he could see the packages, but the party planner refused — she didn’t want to give away her vendors, claiming these were trade secrets.  Rabbi Fischer persisted. He’s from Portland, almost 3,000 miles from Monsey, he explained, and she didn’t have to be concerned about his competition.

He finally got access to the boxes, which had the information of each home business on it. Rabbi Fischer made a few calls to discern what products each vendor had used, and after some sleuth work discovered that one of the cakes on the table used carmine — a nonkosher, insect-sourced topping favored by food artists for its brilliant red color”

“while we’re talking in the kitchen, we are joined by a self-described “foodie” who comes over to take part in the discussion; he shows me a dozen or so social media photos, culled from business accounts with explicitly heimish (and slightly entertaining) names advertising their culinary creations for the world to see. I’m a bit taken aback by the photos of green asparagus, for example, which is generally highly-infested and according to most authorities, can be eaten only after discarding the head of the vegetable and peeling off the brads (triangle-shaped leaves), then checking from the bottom for a cavity running lengthwise. Yet in photo after luscious photo, whole asparagus stalks are laid out in all their sautéed glory, accompanying grilled steak. Fresh raspberries and blackberries — both considered as infested produce and notoriously hard to clean —  crown yogurt cups and complement meat dishes. And these accounts are ostensibly kosher.“

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[aygart]

Unless you know the party planner and the party planner is the eid.

ETA: I don't mean you need to be friends with the party planner, but you need to at least know they are frum.

That is not the case for items prepared by waiters at the venue.

[avromie7]

Why doesn’t Rav Reuvain eat triangle k?

Rabbi Ralbag is frum.

I don't know what he does, but this is a case of "when people tell you who they are, believe them". There are some products that he relies on heterim not accepted by most, but otherwise no reason not to rely on it. He definitely doesn't eat OU tuna.

[ExGingi]

I don't know what he does, but this is a case of "when people tell you who they are, believe them". There are some products that he relies on heterim not accepted by most, but otherwise no reason not to rely on it. He definitely doesn't eat OU tuna.

The current discussion reminds me of my FIL A"H's vort מ'האט אויפגעהערט עסן כשר, און אנגעהויבן עסן הכשרים.

@Mods, May I suggest that this discussion gets pruned from this thread and gets its own thread (possible title: Ne'emonus, Eid Echod, and Chezkas Kashrus regarding kosher status of food)

[aygart]

The current discussion reminds me of my FIL A"H's vort מ'האט אויפגעהערט עסן כשר, און אנגעהויבן עסן הכשרים.

@Mods, May I suggest that this discussion gets pruned from this thread and gets its own thread (possible title: Ne'emonus, Eid Echod, and Chezkas Kashrus regarding kosher status of food)

+1

[imayid2]

He definitely doesn't eat OU tuna.

Yet a hechsher that he has no idea if the follow OU policy regarding tuna he’d eat because they are “being mayid it’s kosher”?

That is utterly incomprehensible. There is nothing about Eid echad that tells you they don’t hold like the OU.

[rbs-g1.5]

@Mods, May I suggest that this discussion gets pruned from this thread and gets its own thread (possible title: Ne'emonus, Eid Echod, and Chezkas Kashrus regarding kosher status of food)

+1 especially since the same R' Reuven hok keeps getting rehashed

[Yehuda57]

I don't know what he does, but this is a case of "when people tell you who they are, believe them". There are some products that he relies on heterim not accepted by most, but otherwise no reason not to rely on it. He definitely doesn't eat OU tuna.

[This] is utterly incomprehensible.

[Something Fishy]

I was flying United a few weeks ago and asked the FA to show me the bottle of orange juice so I can check if it's kosher. She goes "it's Triangle-K, even I don't drink that!"

[Moshe Green]

I was flying United a few weeks ago and asked the FA to show me the bottle of orange juice so I can check if it's kosher. She goes "it's Triangle-K, even I don't drink that!"

Interesting info about juices without a (reliable) Hechsher:

Star-K - does not list any juices as not needing a hechsher
https://www.star-k.org/articles/kosher-lists/3502/no-hechsher-required/
and
https://www.star-k.org/resource/list/RWSWUC19/Beverages
Minute Maid only OK when bearing an OU
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CRC - says OJ (and only OJ), Bdieved, does not need a Hechsher
https://consumer.crckosher.org/policies/juice/
https://consumer.crckosher.org/consumer/food/
(One partial exception to the above rule (not needing a Hechsher on juice -MG) is refrigerated orange juice (due to how and where it is pasteurized). While it is preferable that it only be purchased with hashgachah, if no certified brands are available one may purchase any brand of orange juice, as long as it is refrigerated, and it does not contain any kosher-sensitive ingredients or other juices.)
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Din Online - https://dinonline.org/2022/12/05/is-this-minute-maid-apple-juice-kosher/
There are authorities that would say that it (MM AJ -MG) still needs a hashgacha, however the kashrus professional that we consulted said that in this instance it wouldn’t need a hachsher.
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[TheAsh]

Interesting info about juices without a (reliable) Hechsher:

Star-K - does not list any juices as not needing a hechsher
https://www.star-k.org/articles/kosher-lists/3502/no-hechsher-required/
and
https://www.star-k.org/resource/list/RWSWUC19/Beverages
Minute Maid only OK when bearing an OU
_________________________________________________________
CRC - says OJ (and only OJ), Bdieved, does not need a Hechsher
https://consumer.crckosher.org/policies/juice/
https://consumer.crckosher.org/consumer/food/
(One partial exception to the above rule (not needing a Hechsher on juice -MG) is refrigerated orange juice (due to how and where it is pasteurized). While it is preferable that it only be purchased with hashgachah, if no certified brands are available one may purchase any brand of orange juice, as long as it is refrigerated, and it does not contain any kosher-sensitive ingredients or other juices.)
_________________________________________________________
Din Online - https://dinonline.org/2022/12/05/is-this-minute-maid-apple-juice-kosher/
There are authorities that would say that it (MM AJ -MG) still needs a hashgacha, however the kashrus professional that we consulted said that in this instance it wouldn’t need a hachsher.
_________________________________________________________

Dallas Kosher says that any 100% grape juice free juice is fine bedieved (no hechsher available). I'll try tind the link - it's on their website somewhere.

[moko]

Dallas Kosher says that any 100% grape juice free juice is fine bedieved (no hechsher available). I'll try tind the link - it's on their website somewhere.

source? Rabbi Klein says it's not the position of DK

[TheAsh]

source? Rabbi Klein says it's not the position of DK

I found it some.time ago via google. It was the Sefer Torah K. Maybe Denver Kosher then.  I'm on my.phone with limited internet access. I'll find it tonight iyh

[TheAsh]

I found it some.time ago via google. It was the Sefer Torah K. Maybe Denver Kosher then.  I'm on my.phone with limited internet access. I'll find it tonight iyh

So I was wrong. It was Scroll K
https://scrollk.org/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/does-it-need-a-hechsher-nov.-2018.pdf

[TheAsh]

Dallas Kosher says that any 100% grape juice free juice is fine bedieved (no hechsher available). I'll try tind the link - it's on their website somewhere.

Its Any refrigerated.  And scroll k.