Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[Just A Jew]

[Just A Jew]

@moko How do you navigate these machlokesim on your side of the business? Take sides? Ban all parties until the dust settles? How are consumers supposed to navigate here?

[lover of truth]

CHK is an established hechsher with a track record. Lamed K (or whatever they plan on calling themselves) doesn't have history. As individuals, each Rav has a track record that people may or may not rely on.

Re other sources, I'm guess David Elliott and Marvid are about to become a lot more popular for chicken. Beef... I don't know. Mehadrin in MTL has runs with Lubavitch shochtim. Maybe they'll split the brand (a la Agri/SH) and push it more.

I spoke recently to head of lubavitch shechita and i asked what it means lubavitch shechita,
he told me it means that the shochtim..... learn TANYA!!!
SERIOUSLY?!

[Just A Jew]

I spoke recently to head of lubavitch shechita and i asked what it means lubavitch shechita,
he told me it means that the shochtim..... learn TANYA!!!
SERIOUSLY?!

You'll notice that David Elliott says Lubavitch shechita, while Shor Habor does not. They both have Lubavitch hasgacha. The hashagacha itself follows the Lubavitch hiddurim, and requires the shochtim to go to mikvah daily and learn chassidus. It's been a point of contention for a long time, and IINM, CHK wanted to make some changes in that area, as well.

head of lubavitch shechita

Not sure what this means or who you are referring to. Head of Lubavitch shechita where? For who?

[Dan]

Head of Lubavitch shechita

[lover of truth]

You'll notice that David Elliott says Lubavitch shechita, while Shor Habor does not. They both have Lubavitch hasgacha. The hashagacha itself follows the Lubavitch hiddurim, and requires the shochtim to go to mikvah daily and learn chassidus. It's been a point of contention for a long time, and IINM, CHK wanted to make some changes in that area, as well.

Not sure what this means or who you are referring to. Head of Lubavitch shechita where? For who?

In israel a lubavitch shechitah that lubavitchers are paying extra for
i spoke to him in the street so i am not sure he is willing to go on record
although maybe i should say bec it seems quite misleading

[lover of truth]

only a lubavitcher could get away posting that...

[Chuchum Ainer]

only a lubavitcher could get away posting that...

Or really anyone who likes a good joke. or pun. Lighten up a bit

[lover of truth]

Or really anyone who likes a good joke. or pun. Lighten up a bit

+1000

[aygart]

Where is the Tanya?

[Just A Jew]

Where is the Tanya?

He's in the middle of printing it. Can't be Lubavitch shechita unless you printed a Tanya in the shlachthois.

[TheAsh]

Tldr?

[zh cohen]

Noticed who the lead shochet for beef is under this new hechsher?

He comments on the situation in the first 4 and a half minutes of this shiur - https://www.youtube.com/live/ckZrQwoyJEA?feature=shared

[moko]

So much to unpack this week.
Hopefully an explainer post coming next week (5 hr flight to LAX).
I still stand by my previous long explanation and will elaborate on that.
All this will be featured as an article in our pesach magazine.

[mevinyavin]

This week's Chukei Chaim touches on the Vaad Arbah Aratzos, in case anyone is interested.

[imayid2]

This week's Chukei Chaim touches on the Vaad Arbah Aratzos, in case anyone is interested.

Very dubious to claim we are somehow bound to a Takana from hundreds of years ago by a communal authority that has nothing to do with us.

[mevinyavin]

Very dubious to claim we are somehow bound to a Takana from hundreds of years ago by a communal authority that has nothing to do with us.

Yes, that is what people who want nothing to do with it say. The question is: why do these Rabanim seem to think that we ARE bound by them? Where are they coming from?

[imayid2]

Yes, that is what people who want nothing to do with it say. The question is: why do these Rabanim seem to think that we ARE bound by them? Where are they coming from?

Because they want to have to do with it

I have yet to see an answer. “The poskim extend their validity” makes little sense as they don’t have the authority to do so.

See footnote 28

[mevinyavin]

Because they want to have to do with it

Okay, I assume you aren't saying that Rabbi Bleier has negius because he wants to make money on the hechsher, but rather, are just joking around. I've heard such an accusation leveled at Rabbi Berkovits, though I happen to know that Toras Habayis (his hechsher, founded so that people can actually afford some hechsher leshitaso) makes no money. But you obviously don't mean that.

“The poskim extend their validity” makes little sense as they don’t have the authority to do so.

I don't see what the problem is with extending validity - is it any worse than making a new takana? Who decides what the poskim have authority to do?

See footnote 28

Very nice. Happy to see someone in writing saying that one has the right (yitachen, at least) to trust someone who isn't known to the rabim.
Regarding what he says before that - which is that someone can buy from a mukar larabim even without a hechsher - is something Rabbi Berkovits says also. His problem is that you can't really have a business where someone random calls in, and you tell him, "Sorry, you don't know me so I can't sell to you."

[imayid2]

Okay, I assume you aren't saying that Rabbi Bleier has negius because he wants to make money on the hechsher, but rather, are just joking around. I've heard such an accusation leveled at Rabbi Berkovits, though I happen to know that Toras Habayis (his hechsher, founded so that people can actually afford some hechsher leshitaso) makes no money. But you obviously don't mean that.

There is a need need for such a takana so they would like for it to apply

I don't see what the problem is with extending validity - is it any worse than making a new takana? Who decides what the poskim have authority to do?

Not sure what you mean. We have a halachik system which delineates what poskim have the authority to do. It’s very clear that this isn’t one of them as pointed out in the mr”m I attached. Iirc neither do the mr”m Rabbi Blier quoted say what he claims.

When was a new takana enacted? Certainly if a community would make one it would be binding in that specific community. This is what communities should do instead of absurdly pointing to a different communities takana from hundreds of years ago.