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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread  (Read 1279995 times)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6440 on: May 13, 2024, 07:52:45 PM »
I believe all the heimisshe, any national do?
some of the heimishe write clearly on tuna that it’s mashgiach temidi but I haven’t seen them write it on lox.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6441 on: May 13, 2024, 08:18:23 PM »
some of the heimishe write clearly on tuna that it’s mashgiach temidi but I haven’t seen them write it on lox.
All Tuna with a heimishe hechsher (and OU-P) has a mashgiach temidi and bishul yisroel. Tuna is a much bigger issue than salmon, because it doesn't have the color as a siman.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6442 on: May 13, 2024, 08:21:41 PM »
All Tuna with a heimishe hechsher (and OU-P) has a mashgiach temidi and bishul yisroel. Tuna is a much bigger issue than salmon, because it doesn't have the color as a siman.
I understand that but I would expect them to write it on lox if they indeed have a mashgiach temidi

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6443 on: May 13, 2024, 08:25:05 PM »
some of the heimishe write clearly on tuna that it’s mashgiach temidi but I haven’t seen them write it on lox.
Hisachdus required MT
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6444 on: May 14, 2024, 08:29:02 AM »
Hisachdus required MT
just for clarification purposes... Only once the fillets are skinned. This can happen immediately before slicing and packing which significantly cuts down on hashgacha costs
If the fillets are skinned and then cured, hashgacha costs skyrocket

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6445 on: May 14, 2024, 08:31:15 AM »
All Tuna with a heimishe hechsher (and OU-P) has a mashgiach temidi and bishul yisroel. Tuna is a much bigger issue than salmon, because it doesn't have the color as a siman.

I don't think the color can help once it is cured.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6446 on: May 14, 2024, 08:37:19 AM »
just for clarification purposes... Only once the fillets are skinned. This can happen immediately before slicing and packing which significantly cuts down on hashgacha costs
If the fillets are skinned and then cured, hashgacha costs skyrocket
Makes sense as the requirement for MT is for the simanim, I never thought they would slice after curing.

Are any others requiring MT?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6447 on: May 14, 2024, 08:38:47 AM »
I don't think the color can help once it is cured.
So those that accept the color as a siman, it must be cured and packaged with a mashgiach, albeit without skin?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6448 on: May 14, 2024, 08:44:42 AM »
Makes sense as the requirement for MT is for the simanim, I never thought they would slice after curing.

Are any others requiring MT?
slicing always takes place after curing. Skinning and trimming, sometimes

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6449 on: May 23, 2024, 09:08:48 AM »
Question:

Why don't the OU and other national organizations put video cameras in the dairies they certify, allowing the milk to be chalav yisrael according to many shitos and minimal expense?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6450 on: May 23, 2024, 09:19:25 AM »
Question:

Why don't the OU and other national organizations put video cameras in the dairies they certify, allowing the milk to be chalav yisrael according to many shitos and minimal expense?
Great question, perhaps according to their shitos cameras don't render the milk chalav Yisroel 🤔
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6451 on: May 23, 2024, 09:21:44 AM »
Question:

Why don't the OU and other national organizations put video cameras in the dairies they certify, allowing the milk to be chalav yisrael according to many shitos and minimal expense?
this was asked at the OU office by the chief rabbinate. OU doesn't hold of cameras for CY.
Also, logistically it would be difficult. Depending on the processing facility, they may be receiving milk from over 50 farms.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6452 on: May 23, 2024, 09:40:24 AM »
this was asked at the OU office by the chief rabbinate. OU doesn't hold of cameras for CY.
Also, logistically it would be difficult. Depending on the processing facility, they may be receiving milk from over 50 farms.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6453 on: May 23, 2024, 11:35:01 AM »
this was asked at the OU office by the chief rabbinate. OU doesn't hold of cameras for CY.
Also, logistically it would be difficult. Depending on the processing facility, they may be receiving milk from over 50 farms.
But some do. Why not implement it? (I do understand the logistics answer tho).
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6454 on: May 23, 2024, 11:52:01 AM »
But some do. Why not implement it? (I do understand the logistics answer tho).
Same reason they don't install constant heating elements for PY even though all national agencies besides OU hold it's good for PY.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6455 on: May 23, 2024, 12:16:38 PM »
Same reason they don't install constant heating elements for PY even though all national agencies besides OU hold it's good for PY.
All national agencies? I didn't know that.

OU also allows it, but only if it generates "real" heat of 174°. The others all allow it at any temperature?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6456 on: May 23, 2024, 12:27:01 PM »
All national agencies? I didn't know that.

OU also allows it, but only if it generates "real" heat of 174°. The others all allow it at any temperature?
in the entire oven. Other agencies will allow a single element for a 50ft tunnel oven

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6457 on: May 23, 2024, 01:11:52 PM »
in the entire oven. Other agencies will allow a single element for a 50ft tunnel oven
others besides the Star-K?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6458 on: May 23, 2024, 02:49:32 PM »
this was asked at the OU office by the chief rabbinate. OU doesn't hold of cameras for CY.
Also, logistically it would be difficult. Depending on the processing facility, they may be receiving milk from over 50 farms.
pretty shocking
bec r mordechai gross is basically the head posek for ou today and he was the first to institute cameras. if you ask me there is a different reason here

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6459 on: May 23, 2024, 07:48:09 PM »
pretty shocking
 r mordechai gross is basically the head posek for ou
nonsense. As much as R Asher Weiss is also a poisek for OU .
There's only one poisek for OU. Vhameivin yavin