Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[Chuchum Ainer]

If you are cooking it afterwards then bishul akum isn't a problem (for ashkenazim).

If it was fully cooked, then dried so you now have to reconstitute it, that's not a simple slam dunk heter at all.

Do Ramen noodles have to be bishul Yisrael?

[imayid2]

It has to be מצטמק ויפה לו through bishul but in this case all it needs is to be heated up to be tasty (cold food doesn’t taste too grand) it’s not considered as needed to be cooked since you can soak it in hot water for a bit and will get the same result as he mentioned above.

If it was fully cooked, then dried so you now have to reconstitute it, that's not a simple slam dunk heter at all.

Do Ramen noodles have to be bishul Yisrael?

I agree with you guys in a case where it was fully cooked by the goy and just needed to be reheated or reconstituted. It does not sound at all that @mevinyavin is talking about such a product as he is talking about something virtually indistinguishable from the other brands which are raw.

Perhaps he can clarify.

[mevinyavin]

I agree with you guys in a case where it was fully cooked by the goy and just needed to be reheated or reconstituted. It does not sound at all that @mevinyavin is talking about such a product as he is talking about something virtually indistinguishable from the other brands which are raw.

Perhaps he can clarify.

Rabbi Kuber said that soaking the pasta in cold water produces a product indistinguishable from cooking it in boiling water - except for those other brands, where the pasta would still be inedible. (A friend of mine tried it and confirmed this - as said, I wouldn't eat it anyway.) You tell me.

[imayid2]

Rabbi Kuber said that soaking the pasta in cold water produces a product indistinguishable from cooking it in boiling water - except for those other brands, where the pasta would still be inedible. (A friend of mine tried it and confirmed this - as said, I wouldn't eat it anyway.) You tell me.

Alrighty, sounds like it was fully cooked then. Thanks for clarifying.

[Moshe Green]

Rabbi Kuber said that soaking the pasta in cold water produces a product indistinguishable from cooking it in boiling water - except for those other brands, where the pasta would still be inedible. (A friend of mine tried it and confirmed this - as said, I wouldn't eat it anyway.) You tell me.

I've noticed as such when "raw" pasta falls into a sink. If it sits there in water for a while it becomes "edible".

[moko]

I've noticed as such when "raw" pasta falls into a sink. If it sits there in water for a while it becomes "edible".

edible ≠ cooked

[Chilla]

Ramen: BY?

[moko]

Rabbi Kuber said that soaking the pasta in cold water produces a product indistinguishable from cooking it in boiling water - except for those other brands, where the pasta would still be inedible. (A friend of mine tried it and confirmed this - as said, I wouldn't eat it anyway.) You tell me.

just because something can be "finished " by soaking it, doesn't mean it was mevushal lgamri prior to that.  Will have shabbos ramifications as well. Would he say that you can do chazara on such an item on shabbos? For sefardim obviously it would be different.

[moko]

Ramen: BY?

ramen are fully cooked and dehydrated. You'll either have to argue it fits into the avkas roichel or it is not oileh

[mevinyavin]

edible ≠ cooked

Which is why I wrote "indistinguishable," not edible.

just because something can be "finished " by soaking it, doesn't mean it was mevushal lgamri prior to that.  Will have shabbos ramifications as well. Would he say that you can do chazara on such an item on shabbos? For sefardim obviously it would be different.

Don't know but Rabbi Kuber implied fully cooked or he shouldn't have had a problem with it. I imagine he knows what he is talking about... I can ask him about chazara on Shabbos when I get a chance.

[TheAsh]

As per OU. (Rabbi Nathanson shared)

Skittles Littles Original are kosher even without OU on packaging. This applies to both bags and tubes. No special code or date needed. There will soon be an OU on them but they are acceptable already as of now.
*Only applies to:*
1) Skittles *Littles* Original
2) When it’s a *Product of the USA*.

Still no OU on them. What's up with that?

[moko]

Still no OU on them. What's up with that?

packaging and redesign can take years sometimes....unless there's consumer pressure

[BESED]

just because something can be "finished " by soaking it, doesn't mean it was mevushal lgamri prior to that.  Will have shabbos ramifications as well. Would he say that you can do chazara on such an item on shabbos? For sefardim obviously it would be different.

I once heard from R’ Dovid Cohen from CRC about instant rice and couscous that an easy barometer to know if a product is fully cooked or not is how long its prep time is 1-5 minutes vs 15-20 and I don’t see why this would be any different if the prep time is 1 minute it’s probably fully cooked

[Chuchum Ainer]

As per OU. (Rabbi Nathanson shared)

Skittles Littles Original are kosher even without OU on packaging. This applies to both bags and tubes. No special code or date needed. There will soon be an OU on them but they are acceptable already as of now.
*Only applies to:*
1) Skittles *Littles* Original
2) When it’s a *Product of the USA*.

Still bothers me how ridiculous it is to have such a message. No question, this was machshil people to eat the other type.

packaging and redesign can take years sometimes....unless there's consumer pressure

The ou should not have released that statement, and instead said that kosher consumers will only know to buy them if new packaging is rushed.

[menotyou]

I once heard from R’ Dovid Cohen from CRC about instant rice and couscous that an easy barometer to know if a product is fully cooked or not is how long its prep time is 1-5 minutes vs 15-20 and I don’t see why this would be any different if the prep time is 1 minute it’s probably fully cooked

Quick oats are considered partially cooked so although prep time is 1-2 minutes it’s only partially cooked and more processed. Yes nothing will happen if you don’t use hot water but it’s still not going to get the same results. (You can make overnight oats as well, doesn’t mean that it was cooked)

[BESED]

Quick oats are considered partially cooked so although prep time is 1-2 minutes it’s only partially cooked and more processed. Yes nothing will happen if you don’t use hot water but it’s still not going to get the same results. (You can make overnight oats as well, doesn’t mean that it was cooked)

Don’t know a lot about oats but I think the cook time for regular oats to begin with is quite short (like 5 minutes or so) so not really a great comparison.

[menotyou]

Don’t know a lot about oats but I think the cook time for regular oats to begin with is quite short (like 5 minutes or so) so not really a great comparison.

Sorry half an hour, not much different than rice

[moko]

Don’t know a lot about oats but I think the cook time for regular oats to begin with is quite short (like 5 minutes or so) so not really a great comparison.

the cook time on fresh raw pasta is 3-5 minutes  and on dried raw pasta 7-9 minutes. Al dente even 6 minutes

[Alexsei]

I don't know ei should cry or Laugh

[TheAsh]

I don't know ei should cry or Laugh

What's wrong?