Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[BESED]

We've been through this before, but there are other places where he uses wording of "ra'uy lihachmir"

I believe that when he mentions that it’s something along the lines of ראוי לבעלי נפש להחמיר על עצמן.

[imayid2]

He was asked about Reb Dovid/Ruvein and responded here:

[aygart]

I believe that when he mentions that it’s something along the lines of ראוי לבעלי נפש להחמיר על עצמן.

That isn't how he says it.

[aygart]

This sentiment is also expressed in Rav Moshe's letter to Rav Ochs in Toronto.

[BESED]

That isn't how he says it.

There’s a different teshuva I believe that he does write that it’s for שעת הדחק and another one about yeshivoes being machmir but when he uses the language you quoted this is what he writes.

[aygart]

There’s a different teshuva I believe that he does write that it’s for שעת הדחק and another one about yeshivoes being machmir but when he uses the language you quoted this is what he writes.

There is a reason that I wrote "other places"

[yfr bachur]

You're only saying this because you don't know why there is a makom lehachmir. Hint: it's not because it may not be kosher.

Enlighten me to what I'm missing. It's intrinsically a chidush of RMF lekulah.

[BESED]

There is a reason that I wrote "other places"

Where does he use that language not specifically for בעלי נפש?

[aygart]

Where does he use that language not specifically for בעלי נפש?

There are a couple of places but I can't look them up right now.

[moko]

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[avromie7]

Enlighten me to what I'm missing. It's intrinsically a chidush of RMF lekulah.

This is from Rav Reuvens sefer Darchei Shalom. I don't have pictures of the previous pages to pull the text of the whole chapter. The previous discussion is about if the shochet stopped in middle of the shechita and it turns out that he went most of the way through the simanim. Although he technically went all the way he didn't do that intentionally.

The Rosh HaYeshiva, zt"l, held that milk produced in the United States is not cholov akum. This is because the strict regulations and inspections of the USDA which do not allow for the introduction of any other milk into cow's milk creates a mirsus, a fear, on the part of the producers that accomplishes the same thing as the supervision of a Jew. Therefore, in the opinion of the Rosh HaYeshiva, zt"l, all milk produced in the U.S. is perfectly permissible.

Yet, even in light of the above, the Rosh HaYeshiva, zt"l still held there is a place for the chumrah of cholov Yisroel in the United States and that a ba'al nefesh should be machmir. Why?

I think the answer is that this is the same issue as the one we just discussed, someone who pauses at the end of the shechitah. When the Chachamim made the takanah of cholov Yisroel, part of their intent was that you should make sure the milk is kosher, not that it should just happen to be kosher because of the rules of the USDA. While we can rely on the USDA to certify that American milk is kosher, we did not make it kosher; it just happens to be kosher. The Chachamim wanted you to make it kosher. Therefore, while the mirsus of the USDA fulfills the technical requirements of the Chachamim's decree and the milk may be used, a ba'al nefesh should go the extra mile and fulfill the true desire of the Chachamim to make sure it's kosher through his own actions.

[imayid2]

This is from Rav Reuvens sefer Darchei Shalom. I don't have pictures of the previous pages to pull the text of the whole chapter. The previous discussion is about if the shochet stopped in middle of the shechita and it turns out that he went most of the way through the simanim. Although he technically went all the way he didn't do that intentionally.

This is his personal speculation of what Rav Moshe meant. His question can be answered in other ways.

[avromie7]

He was asked about Reb Dovid/Ruvein and responded here:

That answer can explain Rav Dovid, he often paskened different than Rav Moshe. Rav Reuven always follows Rav Moshe, so that answer wouldn't hold water.

I think it's much more likely that Rav Moshe had another reason not to tell these bachurim they can be meikal. Bachurim often ask Rav Reuven if they can be matir neder, and unless they have a good explanation he tells them not to.

[yungermanchik]

[BESED]

There are a couple of places but I can't look them up right now.

Nu nu. I’ll wait patiently.

[aygart]

Where does he use that language not specifically for בעלי נפש?

Here is one. YD2 31

[BESED]

Here is one. YD2 31

This does not mean anything.
He is clearly referencing his other teshuvas in YD as he writes eyin shom and there he only writes it regarding a baal nefesh.

[aygart]

This does not mean anything.
He is clearly referencing his other teshuvas in YD as he writes eyin shom and there he only writes it regarding a baal nefesh.

That is your interpretation. It can also be interpreted to be showing that when he writes baal nefesh it means for everyone.

It is also written clearly in the letter Rav Moshe sent to Rav Ochs in Toronto that was published in the Daf Hakashrus (it is also in YD5 but with so many annotations as to make it barely readable) and in this letter 






ה’ מרחשון תשכ”ד

בדבר חלב הקאמפאניעס אף שיש טעמים להקל ודאי שהוא רק במקום שליכא חלב ישראל שהוא תחת השגחת רבנים יראי ה’ אבל במקום שאיכא חלב ישראל שהוא בהשגחה וכדומה כל עניני חלב צריך להחמיר וכל שכן אלו שבבתיהם נזהרין לאכול רק מחלב ישראל שבהשגחה צריכין להזהר שהוא גם מחשש ענין נדרים, וממילא גם בהאספיטעלער המתנהגים במאכלי כשר שיש להם לתקן מה שאפשר להם בזה להשיג מאכלי חלב שבהשגחה כי בפה נוא יארק ליכא בזה שום דוחק.  ולכל הפחות ישיגו מאכלי חלב שבהשגחה לאלו שנזהרין בזה בבתיהם ולא לכוף אותם חס ושלום שיאכלו שם מה שנזהרים שלא לאכול.

נאום משה פיינשטיין

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1832556/new-letter-from-rav-moshe-feinstein-ztl-on-cholov-yisroel-appears.html

[aygart]

In general, we've been through this many times already and I don't plan on going through the whole thing again just because you brought it up again.

[BESED]

That is your interpretation. It can also be interpreted to be showing that when he writes baal nefesh it means for everyone.

Highly doubt it.
 When someone writes the same thing over and over again in the same wording and then one time like this it’s the obvious interpretation.

(Furthermore I don’t even think it’s a matter of interpretation he writes it clearly “עיין שם” .)

It is also written clearly in the letter Rav Moshe sent to Rav Ochs in Toronto that was published in the Daf Hakashrus (it is also in YD5 but with so many annotations as to make it barely readable)

I quoted this teshuva above:

There’s a different teshuva I believe that he does write that it’s for שעת הדחק

But still all I said was this:

but when he uses the language you quoted this is what he writes.

And I still think so. You haven’t shown any places that he writes differently and I am pretty sure that he doesn’t.