Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[imayid2]

Based on a couple of Gemaras it is very possible that in this case where the עבידי לטעמא does not give the taste by itself but rather in combination with another ingredient even according to the Chok Yakov it would be batul.

Agree that that is very different

[imayid2]

Now that’s the reason why they set certain policies and not at all client related I don’t think any of the decision makers in these big national agencies have any idea which company takes their hechsher or drop it .

Saying otherwise that they set policies based on monetary concerns is beyond disrespectful.

Of course they take into account the risk of losing clients. Saying otherwise is being clueless 

[BESED]

Of course they take into account the risk of losing clients.

Possibly true. But now you’re saying it a lot nicer.
Updated my earlier post accordingly.

[menotyou]

Anyone know if Bamba peanut butter suns has any cheshash of mixed in chometz re chometz sheavar?
 

[Moshe Green]

Anyone know if Bamba peanut butter suns has any cheshash of mixed in chometz re chometz sheavar?

even if it would it would be less then a kzayis  so theres no problem of eating it.

[menotyou]

even if it would it would be less then a kzayis  so theres no problem of eating it.

Sorry it’s a big bag, or do you know that as a fact?

[chessman1]

Sorry it’s a big bag, or do you know that as a fact?

What ingredients would potentially be chometz?

[Moshe Green]

Sorry it’s a big bag, or do you know that as a fact?

hard to imagine even a big 200 gram bag of bamba being 10-15% chometz...

[sds1493]

hard to imagine even a big 200 gram bag of bamba being 10-15% chometz...

Your point notwithstanding, kzayis is volume, not weight.

[chessman1]

Your point notwithstanding, kzayis is volume, not weight.

But even if the density is 1/2 or even 1/4 that of water, it's almost impossible that there would be enough chometz in the bamba to matter for the simple reason that nothing in the bamba has anything chometz.

https://www.osem-nestleusa.com/bamba-brand-page/bamba-suns-40-oz

[avromie7]

But even if the density is 1/2 or even 1/4 that of water, it's almost impossible that there would be enough chometz in the bamba to matter for the simple reason that nothing in the bamba has anything chometz.

https://www.osem-nestleusa.com/bamba-brand-page/bamba-suns-40-oz

this is bamba, the density is much less than 1/4 the density of water

[chessman1]

this is bamba, the density is much less than 1/4 the density of water

Fair enough on the density. But the point is that it's almost impossible to have a kezayis of chometz in the bamba because of what the bamba's made out of.

[Ver hut gazugt]

Improved Kosher standards does not negate the point.

When there is a grey area in the industry, or a machlokes haposkim, and the OU (random example) decides to be meikal, it puts a lot of pressure on the other National brands (who’s consumers don’t really differentiate between OU OK Kof K Star K in a significant way) to be meikal. If they aren’t, they will simply cede clients to the OU, and no kashrus objective is met.

Take Chalav Stam. The OK is Lubavitch and not really into it to say the least (they won’t even  hire anyone who’s meikal), but they certify chalav stam, because there is nothing to gain by giving the business to another agency.

Same for other agencies who can be pressured into being meikal on something that another agency doesn’t care about so that they don’t simply lose their client to the other agency. Which National hechsher will be machmir on Shellac, even if their poskim are sympathetic to the reasons to be machmir, when everyone else is meikal.

Of course this doesn’t mean that some agencies don’t stand firm on some things they are more machmir on. I’m just pointing out that this element still very much exists and affects certain things.

On the other hand the ok has stricter standards on what it considers cy(no video camera ). Which forces the other agencies to follow to some degree. Because they all rely on each other.

[yfr bachur]

It seems that ZNT is dead, aside from possibly home businesses (and who are members of Rav Weiners Shul?).

The last store that I know of that was under ZNT has changed hechsher.
Almost all were picked up by standard "mehadrin" hechsherim like Rubin.

[mevinyavin]

Haven't looked much into the topic, but it sounds like hyperbole to me.

https://www.jdn.co.il/beit_hamidrash/2399039/

The way they phrase it, this has been going on forever, and being that there is a large consumer public meshubad to halacha, it is difficult to believe. @moko - do you know anything relevant about this?

[yfr bachur]

The way they phrase it, this has been going on forever, and being that there is a large consumer public meshubad to halacha, it is difficult to believe. @moko - do you know anything relevant about this?

Um, they sell watermelons in Eida stores...

[imayid2]

The watermelon are perfectly kosher. Not at all clear that there is a real “misayeiha” issue by from a consumer buying them. It’s too removed from those doing the issur. Maybe appropriate for a communal boycott though.

[mevinyavin]

Um, they sell watermelons in Eida stores...

Precisely.

The watermelon are perfectly kosher. Not at all clear that there is a real “misayeiha” issue by from a consumer buying them. It’s too removed from those doing the issur.

That is NOT what the writer says. Which is my point.

[moko]

The watermelon are perfectly kosher. Not at all clear that there is a real “misayeiha” issue by from a consumer buying them. It’s too removed from those doing the issur. Maybe appropriate for a communal boycott though.

spot  on

[mevinyavin]

spot  on

Thanks.
So,

hyperbole

of the highest order.