Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[churnbabychurn]

Your personal experience is probably the most valuable input here. Coming from real knowledge and experience rather than perception (and dare I say deception?).

+100

As a layman, all I can rely on is a well known rabinic figure telling me it's kosher. I'd love to better understand how the system rally works.
I think there is a lot of mystery about how things magically are considered totally kosher...

[churnbabychurn]

Who is Rabbi Shechter?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershel_Schachter

"Known as halachic "ADVISOR" to the OU  kashruth division."

[Shkop]

Who is Rabbi Shechter?

Try to use people's correct names, mkay?

Rabbi Schachter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershel_Schachter

[yelped]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershel_Schachter

"Known as halachic "ADVISOR" to the OU  kashruth division."

You know, not everything is a conspiracy, and not everyone is out there to ensnare the poor uneducated consumer.

[Shkop]

There is no well respected rabbinic figure who is responsible.
The OU has done a good job using big halachic names to answer their shailos, and thus the perception that somehow rabbi's belski, Shechter, Weiss , feinstein etc "approve" and are giving the hechsher. This is sheker.

Wow. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. You are off your rocker.

[skyguy918]

+100

As a layman, all I can rely on is a well known rabinic figure telling me it's kosher. I'd love to better understand how the system rally works.
I think there is a lot of mystery about how things magically are considered totally kosher...

You say that, but anytime someone tries to tell you how it works, you repeat your deeply held misunderstandings. Why not go talk to someone at the OU?

[churnbabychurn]

Try to use people's correct names, mkay?

Rabbi Schachter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershel_Schachter

K

[churnbabychurn]

Wow. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. You are off your rocker.

If you say so

[churnbabychurn]

You know, not everything is a conspiracy, and not everyone is out there to ensnare the poor uneducated consumer.

I never implied any conspiracy. This whole discussion is going OT.
Bottom line, are craisens with a chareidy hechsher readily available or not?

[Shkop]

+100

As a layman, all I can rely on is a well known rabinic figure telling me it's kosher. I'd love to better understand how the system rally works.
I think there is a lot of mystery about how things magically are considered totally kosher...

There is no well respected rabbinic figure who is responsible.
The OU has done a good job using big halachic names to answer their shailos, and thus the perception that somehow rabbi's belski, Shechter, Weiss , feinstein etc "approve" and are giving the hechsher. This is sheker.

At least you admit that you are a layman who doesn't understand how the system really works. But that didn't stop you from attacking the OU. It seems like kashrus is really important in your book, but hatemongering, not so much. The weird part is that you don't even understand kashrus. So pathetic.

[churnbabychurn]

At least you admit that you are a layman who doesn't understand how the system really works. But that didn't stop you from attacking the OU. It seems like kashrus is really important in your book, but hatemongering, not so much. The weird part is that you don't even understand kashrus. So pathetic.

Never attacked anyone. You're the one who apparently is not even following the covo, but you jumped in to attack without offering any substance or contribution to the actual discussion.  So basically if you have nothing to add shut up.

[Shkop]

Never attacked anyone. You're the one who apparently is not even following the covo, but you jumped in to attack without offering any substance or contribution to the actual discussion.  So basically if you have nothing to add shut up.

There is no well respected rabbinic figure who is responsible.
The OU has done a good job using big halachic names to answer their shailos, and thus the perception that somehow rabbi's belski, Shechter, Weiss , feinstein etc "approve" and are giving the hechsher. This is sheker.

I don’t want to shut up.

You misspelled various rabbonim’s names – individuals that many people hold by. Rabbi Belsky, not Rabbi Belski. Rabbi Schachter, not Rabbi Shechter.

That was highly disrespectful. The entire few sentences were highly disrespectful. You seem to have a problem respecting people with different opinions than yourself. Grow up.

What you wrote is insane. The Rabbonim don’t own the kashrus companies. They deal with halachic questions. R’ Belsky ZTZL was at OU headquarters once a week dealing with the issues. Is that problematic?

The perception that their Rabbonim approve a hechsher is emes. If they are on the rabbinical board then they need to defend the organization’s halachic decisions. Not sure why you are having trouble with that.

You say that “the OU does a good job using big halachic names to answer their shalios” as if it's a bad thing. Um, It’s necessary for their survival. Who should they ask, a layman like yourself?

[henche]

The OU the issue is that there is no figure head or rabbinic board that the organization answers to, (that I personally know of,) and would be comfortable with blindly relying on.

Ah, as opposed to the badatz that answers to a bunch a crazies

[aygart]

I never implied any conspiracy. This whole discussion is going OT.
Bottom line, are craisens with a chareidy hechsher readily available or not?

These are craisins available from every frum nut company you will find them in any store with the nuts.

[churnbabychurn]

These are craisins available from every frum nut company you will find them in any store with the nuts.

K great.

[churnbabychurn]

I don’t want to shut up.

You misspelled various rabbonim’s names – individuals that many people hold by. Rabbi Belsky, not Rabbi Belski. Rabbi Schachter, not Rabbi Shechter.

That was highly disrespectful. The entire few sentences were highly disrespectful. You seem to have a problem respecting people with different opinions than yourself. Grow up.

What you wrote is insane. The Rabbonim don’t own the kashrus companies. They deal with halachic questions. R’ Belsky ZTZL was at OU headquarters once a week dealing with the issues. Is that problematic?

The perception that their Rabbonim approve a hechsher is emes. If they are on the rabbinical board then they need to defend the organization’s halachic decisions. Not sure why you are having trouble with that.

You say that “the OU does a good job using big halachic names to answer their shalios” as if it's a bad thing. Um, It’s necessary for their survival. Who should they ask, a layman like yourself?

Everywhere else besides for a handful of American kasruth organizations, the rabbonim take responsibility for the kashrus. They are not just there to deal with shailos that come up.

Besides, Rabbi Belsky ZTZL is no longer weekly supervising OU headquarters. Who replaced him?

You make it sound like it's all about halachic decisions, and not about making sure there is no chazer in the flavorings.
Nothing can be further than the truth.

[Ergel]

Everywhere else besides for a handful of American kasruth organizations, the rabbonim take responsibility for the kashrus. They are not just there to deal with shailos that come up.

Besides, Rabbi Belsky ZTZL is no longer weekly supervising OU headquarters. Who replaced him?

You make it sound like it's all about halachic decisions, and not about making sure there is no chazer in the flavorings.
Nothing can be further than the truth.

Rav Schachter is there weekly.
And you're not listening, the OU is known in the kashrus world to have very good hashgacha

[churnbabychurn]

I don’t want to shut up.

You misspelled various rabbonim’s names – individuals that many people hold by. Rabbi Belsky, not Rabbi Belski. Rabbi Schachter, not Rabbi Shechter.

That was highly disrespectful. The entire few sentences were highly disrespectful. You seem to have a problem respecting people with different opinions than yourself. Grow up.

Misspelling names is not disrespectful. Don't be rediculous. I am a terrible speller and thank gd for auto correct. Unfortunately it doesn't work on names.

The only possibility of disrespect was towards the OU. (And even that, I have not and will not do. )

Your inability to properly comprehend the points that I am making, and instead skew my words towards the way you want them, in order to make your unrelated points about me, is very telling.

[churnbabychurn]

Rav Schachter is there weekly.
And you're not listening, the OU is known in the kashrus world to have very good hashgacha

I know very well what it is known for. I'm questioning this whole perception. What is it based on? Who is behind it? Who is watching the watchers?

So far, in this whole thread, the best answers I get are A) rabbi Genack or B) perception is enough.

[Ergel]

I know very well what it is known for. I'm questioning this whole perception. What is it based on? Who is behind it? Who is watching the watchers?

So far, in this whole thread, the best answers I get are A) rabbi Genack or B) perception is enough.

Facts on the ground