Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[henche]

Wow. Can't believe you would say that. Anyone who watched that video could see that she hugged him and he was absolutely dying of embarrassment.

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[aygart]

It's statistics.  Imagine there's a 10 percent chance that any particular person will chap a certain mishegas.

But for two people to chap it,  that means the chance is 1 percent. And for three ppl, it's one in a thousand

He is referring to chumros which are a maala

[shaulyaakov]

There is something wrong with this story. Is this first hand or just what you heard?

Related to the general manager at the resturant who also works with the hechsherim.

[avromie7]

He is referring to chumros which are a maala

Not necessarily.

[aygart]

Not necessarily.

He said that it is their maala

[aygart]

Related to the general manager at the resturant who also works with the hechsherim.

But the OU requires a mashgiach tmidi at a restaurant?

[CS1]

But the OU requires a mashgiach tmidi at a restaurant?

it would depend who the owners and the workers are at each location. If they can designate a shomer shabbos yid there at all times, then they may include that in the certification requirements.

[shaulyaakov]

But the OU requires a mashgiach tmidi at a restaurant?

Yes. Mashgiach temedi. My point is the other agency is relying on the OU to provide the checks to make sure things are up to standard. I imagine a lot of times when there's an OU and a heymish hashgacha this is the case.

[churnbabychurn]

generally the smaller heiahe hechsherim are operated by a rav who operates without oversight.
Even in the case of Hisachdus Harabanim or Tartikov Baos Din they are essentially operated by 2 people.

Operated by a Rav, operated by a Rav, operated by a Rav. Operated by a Rav.

Write it out a hundred times. Maybe ppl will start getting the point.

[moko]

Operated by a Rav, operated by a Rav, operated by a Rav. Operated by a Rav.

Write it out a hundred times. Maybe ppl will start getting the point.

you give way too much credence to that phrase. If I only told conversations I've had with major Rahboonim...
Listen, like I've stated befire, there room for improvement all around, but the assumptions you are making are just downright silly.
In food service for sure, I'll davka look for an OU place. This is said after having worked freelance in food service and industrial kashrus for many years before landing where I am.

[moko]

Says you. And maybe someone with the SN "moko".

if you'd like to meet this someone, I'll be in Lakewood next Sunday....

[ExGingi]

I once was going to a bar mitzvah at a hall which had recently switched from an establishment hechsher to a private one b given by someone I know to be a talmid chochom and yirei shomayim. Informally he was also blissfully ignorant and told me about the place "what can be a problem". I spoke to someone from the original hechsher whom knew the situation and told me that there were constant issues at this place and they told them some improvements which would be needed to avoid them. The owner chose not to implement these and switched to this new hechsher. I only ate the challah.

Establishments such as caterers and restaurants have a different (additional) set of requirements/skills. That is why I think in addition to the hashgocho, it's important to know who the owner is.

[moko]

I'll make this offer...if anyone is in Boston and would like to see how KVH Kosher operates, I'll personally (bl"n) give them a tour of a food service facility of their choice. Answer any question they ask...

[ExGingi]

I'll make this offer...if anyone is in Boston and would like to see how KVH Kosher operates, I'll personally (bl"n) give them a tour of a food service facility of their choice. Answer any question they ask...

Wasn't KVH acquired by the OU?

[aygart]

Establishments such as caterers and restaurants have a different (additional) set of requirements/skills. That is why I think in addition to the hashgocho, it's important to know who the owner is.

The owner is not someone that people would consider problematic, but there is much more involved than preventingmalicious substitutions

[moko]

Wasn't KVH acquired by the OU?

KVH was not acquired by the OU

[shaulyaakov]

KVH was not acquired by the OU

KVH was revamped a few years ago and gained inclusion on the cRc list.

[aygart]

Nothing incoherent here at all.
. I don't think I understand hashgacha. I just look at leadership. That's was my point all along.

I think you are missing the point that many have been making here. Your cop-out solution is really no solution at all. There are two criteria for kashrus. You are ignoring one. So much so that you are not understanding that those who bring it into the picture are not belittle the one aspect which you are looking at.

[moko]

BTW, as far as I know the large organizations (OU, OK, Star-K, Kof-K, cRc) provide reviews at cost. You only pay for travel expenses.

[skyguy918]

KVH was revamped a few years ago and gained inclusion on the cRc list.

I think moko might know a little something about that