Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[justaregularguy]

Website not working..

not reliable then

Go to star-k website they have all hechshars listed

[moko]

Yes, frozen pineapple.Thanks.

Fruits, frozen or canned - from cRc Kosher App
Fruits, frozen or canned

Canned, jarred and frozen fruit are acceptable without certification if (a) they only contain fruit, sugar, ascorbic acid, and/or citric acid, and (b) are not from Israel or China. Accordingly, those which contain flavors, colors, carmine, fruit juice, grape juice, or other sensitive additives, must bear a reliable kosher certification. Canned olives are an exception. See Olives. Frozen raspberries, blackberries, and mulberries can only be used if pureed.

[Yammer]

ive called star K before and asked the guy what his personal opinion on a hechshar was according to his experience..

Is there really a bug problem with pineapples? I have no clue actually

I'm not sure, the only problem that I thought was if the knives where toiveled.

not reliable then

Go to star-k website they have all hechshars listed

Lol

[Yammer]

Fruits, frozen or canned - from cRc Kosher App
Fruits, frozen or canned

Canned, jarred and frozen fruit are acceptable without certification if (a) they only contain fruit, sugar, ascorbic acid, and/or citric acid, and (b) are not from Israel or China. Accordingly, those which contain flavors, colors, carmine, fruit juice, grape juice, or other sensitive additives, must bear a reliable kosher certification. Canned olives are an exception. See Olives. Frozen raspberries, blackberries, and mulberries can only be used if pureed.

Thanks

[incendia]

Frozen raspberries, blackberries, and mulberries can only be used if pureed.

Why would whole berries need a hechshur but pureed be ok?

[moko]

I'm not sure, the only problem that I thought was if the knives where toiveled.

1. That wouldn't assur the food (not saying any reputable hashgacha would allow it)
2. The company is probably not Jewish owned

[moko]

Why would whole berries need a hechshur but pureed be ok?

presumably because of infestation. If it's already finely pureed then it wouldn't pose an issue

[shaulyaakov]

Why would whole berries need a hechshur but pureed be ok?

Bugs are Batel if pureed. If they are whole, they would be a whole animal that's not Batel even in extremely small quantities. We can also presume that bugs are not there Lichatchillah as any reputable brand would be upset to have bugs.

[moko]

Bugs are Batel if pureed. If they are whole, they would be a whole animal that's not Batel even in extremely small quantities. We can also presume that bugs are not there Lichatchillah as any reputable brand would be upset to have bugs.

re: the bolded part, I don't how you can say that when every bag of Romain lettuce, usually raspberries and many other items we check have insects. The USDA guidelines allow up to 40 thrips up to 7mm per 110g of canned asparagus.
The only way you'll have a sfek sfeika is if it's not muchzak but only a miyut hamatzui then you'll have a sfek sfeik

[Yammer]

1. That wouldn't assur the food (not saying any reputable hashgacha would allow it)
2. The company is probably not Jewish owned

Costco?

[moko]

Costco?

Costco didn't manufactur the product

[shaulyaakov]

re: the bolded part, I don't how you can say that when every bag of Romain lettuce, usually raspberries and many other items we check have insects. The USDA guidelines allow up to 40 thrips up to 7mm per 110g of canned asparagus.
The only way you'll have a sfek sfeika is if it's not muchzak but only a miyut hamatzui then you'll have a sfek sfeik

I would presume halachically that there's a difference between adding something intentionally vs not removing it. I think most brands use pesticides etc to remove bugs. That it's not 100% effective doesn't seem to be the same as them intentionally adding it. I think most places would prefer to have zero bugs all else being equal. This is always the logic I heard re: pureed berries even if it is Muchzak. Bittul Lichatchillah would require the company to proactively do something to add the trief ingredient, rather than this case which is them not doing everything possible to remove it.

[yitzgar]

I would presume halachically that there's a difference between adding something intentionally vs not removing it. I think most brands use pesticides etc to remove bugs. That it's not 100% effective doesn't seem to be the same as them intentionally adding it. I think most places would prefer to have zero bugs all else being equal. This is always the logic I heard re: pureed berries even if it is Muchzak. Bittul Lichatchillah would require the company to proactively do something to add the trief ingredient, rather than this case which is them not doing everything possible to remove it.

Either way, bitul lichatchila is just an issur. Would that make the food assure to eat? Especially if it's a non Jewish company that did the bitul?

[shaulyaakov]

Either way, bitul lichatchila is just an issur. Would that make the food assure to eat? Especially if it's a non Jewish company that did the bitul?

Generally food will not get a hechsher in the case of an intentionally added non kosher ingredient or a non kosher ingredient made in the same production line.

[yitzgar]

Generally food will not get a hechsher in the case of an intentionally added non kosher ingredient or a non kosher ingredient made in the same production line.

Ok, but in this case, since the bugs weren't added intentionally, even if it's considered bitul lichatchila, maybe they would give a hechsher

[aygart]

I would presume halachically that there's a difference between adding something intentionally vs not removing it. I think most brands use pesticides etc to remove bugs. That it's not 100% effective doesn't seem to be the same as them intentionally adding it. I think most places would prefer to have zero bugs all else being equal. This is always the logic I heard re: pureed berries even if it is Muchzak. Bittul Lichatchillah would require the company to proactively do something to add the trief ingredient, rather than this case which is them not doing everything possible to remove it.

Either way, bitul lichatchila is just an issur. Would that make the food assure to eat? Especially if it's a non Jewish company that did the bitul?

Until it is pureed it is not batel. Pureeing is the bitul lichatchila being done by the Jew. It is only when you have a right to consider the presence of bugs to be a safek that you can puree.

If one is mivatel lichatchila the food is assur.

In general one should avoid presuming things in halacha.

[yitzgar]

Until it is pureed it is not batel. Pureeing is the bitul lichatchila being done by the Jew. It is only when you have a right to consider the presence of bugs to be a safek that you can puree.

If one is mivatel lichatchila the food is assur.

In general one should avoid presuming things in halacha.

My understanding was that we were discussing pureed berries, meaning it was pureed by the company.

[dealfinder85]

Ok, but in this case, since the bugs weren't added intentionally, even if it's considered bitul lichatchila, maybe they would give a hechsher

the heter most of the hechshers rely on, i believe, is that when kavana is not levatel, it isnt considered bitul issur lechatchila
all the strawberry and raspberry yogurts that you find on the shelves in stores, i can assure you they arent using checked produce

[yitzgar]

the heter most of the hechshers rely on, i believe, is that when kavana is not levatel, it isnt considered bitul issur lechatchila
all the strawberry and raspberry yogurts that you find on the shelves in stores, i can assure you they arent using checked produce

I thought it's because the washing process is much better when the fruit doesn't have to look presentable

[grodnoking]

I thought it's because the washing process is much better when the fruit doesn't have to look presentable

Ye, I think they powerwash it. Which in the case of strawberries - makes them look funny and feel mushy.
Can't imagine a blackberry lasting thru a powerwash.