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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2130 on: April 04, 2019, 02:27:46 PM »
I can see how ppl would be confused, but really, everyone knows the CRC is not CY unless stated. 

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2131 on: April 04, 2019, 02:53:02 PM »
I can see how ppl would be confused, but really, everyone knows the CRC is not CY unless stated.

Who is everyone? Did you take a scientific poll? Would you argue this in front of a judge?

How about an Israeli tourist who goes to a grocery store, and sees this? It doesn't say חלב נכרי (in Israel they don't use the invented euphemism "Chalav Stam" and if it said that, such tourist might not even suspect that it is not Cholov Yisroel.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2132 on: April 04, 2019, 04:44:08 PM »
Not if it's branded with a very Jewish/Heimishe name, and a bunch of Hebrew letters. People don't expect a Jewish brand to be non cholov yisroel, as opposed to a non Jewish brand obtaining Kosher certification.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2133 on: April 04, 2019, 04:47:37 PM »
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There are some differences, but that might be splitting hairs. אה"נ I see no reason why they shouldn't clearly write on it חלב נכרי.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2134 on: April 04, 2019, 04:50:08 PM »
There are some differences, but that might be splitting hairs. אה"נ I see no reason why they shouldn't clearly write on it חלב נכרי.

They shouldn't write חלב נכרי because that's asur to eat lekulei alma, no?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2135 on: April 04, 2019, 04:50:40 PM »
They shouldn't write חלב נכרי because that's asur to eat lekulei alma, no?

OK. חלב הקאמפעניס.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2136 on: April 04, 2019, 04:53:27 PM »
OK. חלב הקאמפעניס.
Ah and the israeli tourist is going to understand exactly what they are trying to say ::)
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2137 on: April 04, 2019, 04:58:54 PM »
Ah and the israeli tourist is going to understand exactly what they are trying to say ::)

They shouldn't write חלב נכרי because that's asur to eat lekulei alma, no?

IINM that's what they write in EY. CMIIW.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2138 on: April 04, 2019, 05:01:29 PM »
IINM that's what they write in EY. CMIIW.
They shouldn't write חלב נכרי because that's asur to eat lekulei alma, no?
OK. חלב הקאמפעניס.
Ah and the israeli tourist is going to understand exactly what they are trying to say ::)
There are some differences, but that might be splitting hairs. אה"נ I see no reason why they shouldn't clearly write on it חלב נכרי.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2139 on: April 04, 2019, 05:02:36 PM »
IINM that's what they write in EY. CMIIW.
The Rabbanut doesn't rely on RMF and anything with Cholov Akum is labeled לא כשר.

The Rabbanut does allow Avkas Cholov Aku'm based on a hater by R Tzvi Pesach Frank which applies even to full blow Cholov Akum without אנן סהדי
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2140 on: April 04, 2019, 05:16:02 PM »
- Does one have to go out of their way to get Chalav Akum in EY?
- IIRC, Chabad, and some other groups, have a boiled pasteurization chumra - i.e. 212 cheese - how does that labeled? חלב רותחת? :)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2141 on: April 04, 2019, 05:42:13 PM »
- Does one have to go out of their way to get Chalav Akum in EY?
- IIRC, Chabad, and some other groups, have a boiled pasteurization chumra - i.e. 212 cheese - how does that labeled? חלב רותחת? :)
If you are Makpid on 212 you know which Hechsheirm Kasher at that temperature.

Regarding CY, there is a big split if video observation in a Jewish company is considered CY. Most Israeli hechsheirim rely on it, while (almost?) all US hechsheirim, including OU and OK, do not consider it CY.
This can make a difference in which Israeli restaurants one will eat.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2142 on: April 04, 2019, 06:02:23 PM »
If you are Makpid on 212 you know which Hechsheirm Kasher at that temperature.

Regarding CY, there is a big split if video observation in a Jewish company is considered CY. Most Israeli hechsheirim outside the US rely on it, while (almost?) all US hechsheirim, including OU and OK, do not consider it CY.
This can make a difference in which Israeli restaurants one will eat.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2143 on: April 04, 2019, 06:15:02 PM »
Not if it's branded with a very Jewish/Heimishe name, and a bunch of Hebrew letters. People don't expect a Jewish brand to be non cholov yisroel, as opposed to a non Jewish brand obtaining Kosher certification.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #2144 on: April 06, 2019, 11:02:23 PM »
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Ideally, since the simple halacha is that חלב שחלבו עכו"ם ואין ישראל רואהו is forbidden, then whenever relying on a heter which isn't universally accepted, such disclaimer should be clearly spelled out.

For example I have seen once before a product that uses food coloring produced from carmine, it had a Hechsher and it stated clearly that it contains carmine based on a certain heter.
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