Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[ExGingi]

CCS b"b is certifying an entire dairy line in NJ

Why? What sense does it make?

[Alexsei]

Why? What sense does it make?

A certain brand decided to spin off another "Israeli style" brand

[moko]

And belz certifies some bingo sections

[yuneeq]

... And the OP is likely being facetious, and even if they were serious that's not a regular way of using the machine and one needn't be worried about such a use case, and... Is it even possible to cook chicken in that kind of coffee maker? Unless he's making garlic butter chicken tartar

It’s a meme account, I follow him
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/alexander-cohen_people-startup-mortgage-activity-6971472754281775104-2SfL

[yesitsme]

And belz certifies some bingo sections

Asher ekstein? Is from Brooklyn

[moko]

Asher ekstein? Is from Brooklyn

wrong belz

[rbs-g1.5]

Where does one pickup R Weiner list?

http://www.zntkosher.com/

[jye]

I heard the other day two people in shul discussing bugs
And they mentioned Rav belsky
They also said that when bugs are frozen their eyes pop out which takes away the status of a בריה so we can use ביטול to make it מותר

Considering that freezing for extended periods of time is commonly used to preserve insects for display and collections, this is highly doubtful.

To quote one bug collection website:
“freezing is a preferred method of killing insect specimens. Most specimens will die over night but some cold resistant insects may require a week or more to die. Kept frozen, specimens do not dry out and can later be processed by pinning and mounting them, eliminating the need for a “relaxing jar” or procedure. Once the specimen is thawed, legs and wings can be moved to position them before letting them dry for display. They will also retain color patterns such as eye colors in horse and deer flies that quickly fade when the specimen dries.”

[yesitsme]

And belz certifies some bingo sections

What is your point?

[aygart]

Considering that freezing for extended periods of time is commonly used to preserve insects for display and collections, this is highly doubtful.

To quote one bug collection website:
“freezing is a preferred method of killing insect specimens. Most specimens will die over night but some cold resistant insects may require a week or more to die. Kept frozen, specimens do not dry out and can later be processed by pinning and mounting them, eliminating the need for a “relaxing jar” or procedure. Once the specimen is thawed, legs and wings can be moved to position them before letting them dry for display. They will also retain color patterns such as eye colors in horse and deer flies that quickly fade when the specimen dries.”

That is most likely not referring to the tiny insects on veggies.

[Alexsei]

http://www.zntkosher.com/

Thanks, subscribe button doesn't work for me

[aygart]

Asher ekstein? Is from Brooklyn

There is יבול נכרי all over the place under his Hechsher

[jye]

That is most likely not referring to the tiny insects on veggies.

Freezing is described as an ideal method of preserving aphids down the the most minute detail for studying all of the structures of the aphid under microscope. One line in the paper actually specifically references the color of the eyes of the frozen specimens. Eyes appear to be clearly present in the photographs as well.

https://journal.fi/entomolfennica/article/download/83801/42939

[chinagel]

Freezing is described as an ideal method of preserving aphids down the the most minute detail for studying all of the structures of the aphid under microscope. One line in the paper actually specifically references the color of the eyes of the frozen specimens. Eyes appear to be clearly present in the photographs as well.

No source, but I'm pretty sure the claim was only in regard to flash freezing. At least that's how I heard it.

[aygart]

No source, but I'm pretty sure the claim was only in regard to flash freezing. At least that's how I heard it.

I have heard it in regards to freeze drying which is a totally different thing.

[WAM]

It’s makes you wonder where we’re at when people base facts (which are very much subject to change) off of what Rabbi Belsky said 10 years ago, instead of ascertaining the facts themselves.That’s a good one!
Would love to know where that came from and who relies on it.

You can quote the BY from hundreds of years ago and they can't quote Rabbi Belsky??

[TheAsh]

I never called myself a Ben Torah, I have lived in the US for over 35 years, and I don't allow it in my house and do not buy it.

As for the product and the hechsher, those are obviously not manufactured in Israel, but were first marketed in Israel with that Hechsher, and it is being used for marketing to the Kosher market in the US (and presumably other countries too). One of my rules of thumb for a Hechsher that I'm not sure about is that if it is not from the country of manufacture or the country of distribution (where reliable certification exists in either of those), it is suspicious. As such, ever since CCS BB started certifying US produced products for US consumption, I became suspicious of the quality thereof.

In addition to the above, regardless of the quality of Hashgocho on domestic production, I have heard from people in the Kashrus field that often some organizations send mashgichim who are unable to communicate and understand English properly, let alone the local language in the country of production. Now think of what happened in Manalapan (and of the Poland cheese fiasco - which was a different Hechsher, but I am being told that CCS also sends mashgichim that cannot properly communicate and understand English or the local languages in countries of production) and tell me if you would like to trust such a hechsher on imported products.

In contrast, the Star-K claims to have done many joint runs with CSS BB and claims they have never seen anything questionable. CSS PT is an entirely different story and is very unreliable.

[imayid2]

I would find this sevara difficult to attribute to Rav Belsky based on what he writes about that to lose the status of a beryah the loss of limb must be noticeable without magnification. I cannot believe that one can see if a bug lost an eye.

Rabbi Eli Gersten
Rabbinic Coordinator

[Traveler718]

or put it near a heating vent.I've thrown out three keurig machines. there's no way to toivel it. Gewirtzman in Coventry is one answer, being makneh to a goy and borrowing is another bedieved possibility, and not using a Keurig is a drastic third.

Does anyone know somebody in Brooklyn that takes apart and reassembles Keurigs to take care of the tevila issue? Or can someone PM me the contact info for Gewirtzman?

[imayid2]

Does anyone know somebody in Brooklyn that takes apart and reassembles Keurigs to take care of the tevila issue? Or can someone PM me the contact info for Gewirtzman?

Have you asked your LOR if selling it to a גוי would be an option? It can be much cheaper!