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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread  (Read 940168 times)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4200 on: March 17, 2023, 12:33:18 AM »
Clearly someone Chabad.


i've seen similar lists. ZNT has one which is similar with minor differences. (He accepts CSBB, Kehillas, and Machpud as better than OU and Belz, for example.)
The comment about Anash by Sheeris is a giveaway
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4201 on: March 17, 2023, 12:55:59 AM »
The comment about Anash by Sheeris is a giveaway

And the blanket acceptance of Bistrovsky.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4203 on: March 17, 2023, 04:20:22 AM »
I understand everyone's hesitance to "believe" the list w/o some Rabbinical name attached to it. It's a bunch of random information put out by a seemingly random guy.

But for those who live here in Israel who need to purchase groceries on a daily basis and who want to eat out by resturants and simchos, we checked out many of these Hechsherim. Whether by asking our Rav, a fried who's in Kasharus, or just hearing strong rumors, we came to know, or at least believe, which are better Hechsherim and which are not as good.

Actually, if you read the list, it says clearly by many of them to ask someone and he doesn't just Pasul Hechsherim right and left.

While i am no expert and have never been in Kashrus at all, much of what is said on this list is right on and the inforamtion can be relied on. Yes, you may not have anywhere to eat in Tel Aviv and you may have to bring your own food even when your in Israel (depending on where you are going). But don't knock out the list just because you want the tastiest vacation or can't be bothered to check out a Hechsher to see if its really reliable or not.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4204 on: March 17, 2023, 05:34:50 AM »
I already posted my Rebbe's opinion (which is stricter than anyone needs to be and I wouldn't impose them on anyone else, including visitors) on these earlier up thread.
But regarding the list - it is by and large very good, especially if one would rely on the highest tier (and especially if one has no one to ask who knows the matzav here).
« Last Edit: March 17, 2023, 05:39:32 AM by mevinyavin »
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4205 on: March 17, 2023, 06:47:54 AM »
While i am no expert and have never been in Kashrus at all, much of what is said on this list is right on and the inforamtion can be relied on. Yes, you may not have anywhere to eat in Tel Aviv and you may have to bring your own food even when your in Israel (depending on where you are going). But don't knock out the list just because you want the tastiest vacation or can't be bothered to check out a Hechsher to see if its really reliable or not.
You're missing the boat dude. No one is knocking the list because of their laziness or Yetzer Hora, don't just knock everyone down because we simply don't know who authored this list or what it's based on.

You say that it's 'right on' and can be relied on, wonderful for you. Other people want more information vs trusting an anonymous internet list.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4206 on: March 17, 2023, 09:21:53 AM »
You're missing the boat dude. No one is knocking the list because of their laziness or Yetzer Hora,
"No one"?  :o You spoke to everyone?  ??? Dude, you gotta stop wasting your time...
don't just knock everyone down because we simply don't know who authored this list or what it's based on.
"everyone"? :o you spoke to everyone?  :o Dude, you gotta stop wasting your time...
You say that it's 'right on' and can be relied on, wonderful for you. Other people want more information vs trusting an anonymous internet list.
It's an anonymous list that most people who have researched Hechsherim will tell you is good. It's wonderful for me and everyone else.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4207 on: March 17, 2023, 09:31:48 AM »


It's an anonymous list that most people who have researched Hechsherim will tell you is good. It's wonderful for me and everyone else.

Based on someone who



 i am no expert and have never been in Kashrus at all,

Yet very confidently tells us that

much of what is said on this list is right on and the inforamtion can be relied on.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4208 on: March 17, 2023, 09:49:36 AM »
Can a comprehensive Kashrus rating system be established once and for all? Built on hard data points?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4209 on: March 17, 2023, 09:49:56 AM »
So if you have someone whos not an electrician, but spends 5 hours researching who is a good one by calling contractors, friends, and looking online, and he tells you that a certain electrician is known to be good, you wouldn't believe him?

So while i am no expert in Hechsheirim i have spent much time reseaching them and i tell you that this list reflects the knowledge of the experts.
But go ahead, don't believe me, ask your Kashrus professional or a Rav who knows his stuff. Just don't go and eat somewhere because the guy has a big beard of because it has Hebrew writing on it.

And we must end with this story (said already but its good for a repeat):
Guy goes into a resturant and asks what the Hechsher is. The guy behind the counter turns to a huge picture of the Lubavitcher Rebbe hangin on the wall and points as if to say, "with a picture like that, what could be wrong". The guy answers back, "if it was the Rebbe behind the counter and your picture on the wall i would eat in a second, but since its his picture and you are here i'm not so sure".
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4210 on: March 17, 2023, 10:24:26 AM »
The comment about Anash by Sheeris is a giveaway

Though IINM there was a time in the past where there were serious issues there. And in general POLITICALLY MOTIVATED Kashrus organizations deserve to be taken with a grain of salt. Case in point: Belz and Beis Yosef. (Though financially motivated is just as much of an issue if not greater).


Kosharot actually has a pretty decent write up about "Badatz" and "Mehadrin". Can't seem to get there now, possibly site down for Shabbos.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4211 on: March 17, 2023, 10:29:05 AM »
Though IINM there was a time in the past where there were serious issues there. And in general POLITICALLY MOTIVATED Kashrus organizations deserve to be taken with a grain of salt. Case in point: Belz and Beis Yosef. (Though financially motivated is just as much of an issue if not greater).
Sure, but only someone from Chabad would put it the way they did.

other than local vaadim the many kashrus organizations are motivated by either politics or cash.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4212 on: March 17, 2023, 10:32:28 AM »
Can a comprehensive Kashrus rating system be established once and for all? Built on hard data points?
short answer, no.
Example of hard data points?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4213 on: March 17, 2023, 10:41:29 AM »
Sure, but only someone from Chabad would put it the way they did.

other than local vaadim the many kashrus organizations are motivated by either politics or cash.

Not disagreeing one bit.

The question in my mind is how to look at major ones that didn't start off with a political or major financial motivation, but are now on the second or third generation of management.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4214 on: March 17, 2023, 10:43:46 AM »
Not disagreeing one bit.

The question in my mind is how to look at major ones that didn't start off with a political or major financial motivation, but are now on the second or third generation of management.
They started off doing good and ended up doing well.

I am more concerned about those than the others especially if it became the family business. All you need to do is look at how many family businesses end up mismanaged by later generations and have the same concern or more when it is kashrus.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4215 on: March 17, 2023, 11:46:42 AM »
short answer, no.
Example of hard data points?
One example, Do they require a mashgiach temidi at xys sites? Y/N
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4216 on: March 17, 2023, 11:52:34 AM »
So while i am no expert in Hechsheirim i have spent much time reseaching them and i tell you that this list reflects the knowledge of the experts.
But go ahead, don't believe me, ask your Kashrus professional or a Rav who knows his stuff. Just don't go and eat somewhere because the guy has a big beard of because it has Hebrew writing on it.
I'm glad this list works for you (since you did research).
Please don't impose it on or knock others.
That's all.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4217 on: March 17, 2023, 11:55:49 AM »
One example, Do they require a mashgiach temidi at xys sites? Y/N

That's not about a third party making a list. It's about consumers wanting transparency regarding standards.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4218 on: March 17, 2023, 12:01:46 PM »
One example, Do they require a mashgiach temidi at xys sites? Y/N
what qualifies as a mashgiach temidi ?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4219 on: March 17, 2023, 12:03:23 PM »
what qualifies as a mashgiach temidi ?

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