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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread  (Read 1283429 times)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4740 on: June 26, 2023, 08:34:35 PM »
Of course not because it is only bdieved.
Once it's made it's already bdieved.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4741 on: June 26, 2023, 09:19:57 PM »
Once it's made it's already bdieved.
Bdieved for who?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4742 on: June 26, 2023, 09:41:12 PM »
Once it's made it's already bdieved.
But nobody reliable would give a hechsher on that basis.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4743 on: June 26, 2023, 10:16:40 PM »
Bdieved for who?
For the one buying it.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4744 on: June 26, 2023, 10:18:28 PM »
But nobody reliable would give a hechsher on that basis.
Right.

This remains true:
Nearly everyone I know in Lakewood eats DE. That means it's a chumra in their eyes.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4745 on: June 26, 2023, 10:21:45 PM »
This remains true:
Just because people in your circles eat it doesn't mean that nearly everyone in Lakewood eats it. That's just silly to say that.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4746 on: June 26, 2023, 10:24:17 PM »
Just because people in your circles eat it doesn't mean that nearly everyone in Lakewood eats it. That's just silly to say that.
I’m focusing on the part aygart took issue with. That those that do consider it a chumra.

(I don’t think the hechsher cares about newer circles in town.)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4747 on: June 26, 2023, 11:07:09 PM »
Right.

This remains true:
Ahhh but now that you have hechsherim supervising based on their being lenient in general you can have a supervision even if you totally disregard R Moshe. I know a number of people who eat DE based on this reasoning especially since R Moshe required kashering.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4748 on: June 26, 2023, 11:26:55 PM »

(I don’t think the hechsher cares about newer circles in town.)

The hechsher shouldn't be going according to what any circle thinks it believes, they should certify what they claim to be certifying. The hechsher is saying it's CY entirely. If they are only certifying that it is DE, or if they are being meikil because "it's only a chumrah" they need to say that explicitly.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4749 on: June 26, 2023, 11:48:20 PM »
The hechsher shouldn't be going according to what any circle thinks it believes, they should certify what they claim to be certifying. The hechsher is saying it's CY entirely. If they are only certifying that it is DE, or if they are being meikil because "it's only a chumrah" they need to say that explicitly.
Agree.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4750 on: June 27, 2023, 12:04:07 AM »
you can have a supervision even if you totally disregard R Moshe. I know a number of people who eat DE based on this reasoning especially since R Moshe required kashering.
It isn't pashut that there is no חנ״ן.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4751 on: June 27, 2023, 08:01:48 AM »
Nearly everyone I know in Lakewood eats DE. That means it's a chumra in their eyes.

Another proof that it's considered a chumra here is that almost nobody attempts to use chalav yisrael baby formula lechatchila. Everyone uses regular Enfamil without batting an eye. 
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4752 on: June 27, 2023, 08:02:49 AM »
The hechsher shouldn't be going according to what any circle thinks it believes, they should certify what they claim to be certifying. The hechsher is saying it's CY entirely. If they are only certifying that it is DE, or if they are being meikil because "it's only a chumrah" they need to say that explicitly.

Is that what the hechsher actually says though? Call up Rabbi Yoffe - he's quite accessible. The owner does not equal the hechsher.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4753 on: June 27, 2023, 08:06:07 AM »
The hechsher shouldn't be going according to what any circle thinks it believes, they should certify what they claim to be certifying. The hechsher is saying it's CY entirely. If they are only certifying that it is DE, or if they are being meikil because "it's only a chumrah" they need to say that explicitly.
I'd say you'd be surprised how common this is outside the US in regards to CY and in the US in regards to yoshon, but I don't think @Yehuda57 will be surprised

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4754 on: June 27, 2023, 08:17:51 AM »
Another proof that it's considered a chumra here is that almost nobody attempts to use chalav yisrael baby formula lechatchila. Everyone uses regular Enfamil without batting an eye.
I wouldn’t say “almost nobody” but many indeed use it. Another proof are the many people who use the open bottles of C’Y at 7-11.

The hechsher is perfectly acceptable to these people.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4755 on: June 27, 2023, 08:18:16 AM »
It isn't pashut that there is no חנ״ן.
Great but it is a Pri Megadim among others
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4756 on: June 27, 2023, 08:20:31 AM »
Another proof that it's considered a chumra here is that almost nobody attempts to use chalav yisrael baby formula lechatchila. Everyone uses regular Enfamil without batting an eye.
This is simply not true. Some use it but very many do not.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4757 on: June 27, 2023, 08:21:10 AM »


Another proof are the many people who use the open bottles of C’Y at 7-11.

The hechsher is perfectly acceptable to these people.

I would bet that most are from ignorance
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4758 on: June 27, 2023, 08:32:26 AM »
Great but it is a Pri Megadim among others
Pri magadim is only maikel by חלב עכום because of the פרי חדש...

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4759 on: June 27, 2023, 09:45:29 AM »
Not according to most poskim, with the exception of the Pri Chodesh, and R'Moshe, unless my foggy brain is missing something today.
So it seems :)