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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4880 on: July 27, 2023, 10:24:37 PM »
Yet he has no system in place to actually provide it.
How do you know? If he says “it’s kosher” shouldn’t you be able to assume he does?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4881 on: July 27, 2023, 10:30:23 PM »
Why would you need דרישה וחקירה? It’s talking about when they’re giving first hand uncomplicated information, I shechted this meat, I was menaker, etc.

That is NOT the same thing as saying “it’s kosher” which can mean blessed by a rabbi, or I shechted the cow, and anything in between.

They are believed even against chazaka and in complicated cases such as almanas isah. Where are you getting this limitation from? Is it your svara?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4882 on: July 27, 2023, 10:33:20 PM »
They are believed even against chazaka and in complicated cases such as almanas isah. Where are you getting this limitation from? Is it your svara?
What does this have to do with somebody telling you an expression that obviously isn’t something he verified himself?

Where are you getting this extension from? Is it your own sevarah?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4883 on: July 27, 2023, 10:34:29 PM »
How do you know? If he says “it’s kosher” shouldn’t you be able to assume he does?
No. It's a business and needs a system of checks and balances.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4884 on: July 27, 2023, 10:36:49 PM »
No. It's a business and needs a system of checks and balances.
Well according to their understanding, we should assume he’s telling us there is a system of checks and balances.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4885 on: July 27, 2023, 10:47:40 PM »
Yet he has no system in place to actually provide it.
That's his problem, and he'll go to hell for it.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4886 on: July 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM »
Well according to their understanding, we should assume he’s telling us there is a system of checks and balances.
You may assume. Someone who is concerned about their standards of Kashrus will find out more before deciding anything.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4887 on: July 27, 2023, 10:54:30 PM »
You may assume. Someone who is concerned about their standards of Kashrus will find out more before deciding anything.
That's what halacha says. Anything more than that is at best unnecessary.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4888 on: July 27, 2023, 10:55:37 PM »

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4889 on: July 27, 2023, 10:57:04 PM »
Well according to their understanding, we should assume he’s telling us there is a system of checks and balances.

Yes.
That's his problem, and he'll go to hell for it.

On the other hand, there is a good chance he does not realize how much such a system is needed. I was in a yeshiva where one day they served pizza from a sheet pan with hot dog marks on it. Once that happened the Rosh Yeshiva made sure the kitchen was kashered and set up a better system. Many people do not realize the importance of a proper system. Once the system is set up, let's say by AKO, then either way you would still be relying on eid echad.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4890 on: July 27, 2023, 10:57:41 PM »
Actualy, once I entered the kitchen , and saw what was going on, I stopped eating anything cooked there. At least a portion of the head staff did the same. (AFAIK kashrus was a factor in some members of the staff leaving the camp)
BTW The kitchen in my yeshiva was supervised by the local vaad.
I understood what you wrote to mean that you acted as a "mashgiach ,meaning that they relied on you to make things a drop better and ate. Kol Hakovod that people atually stopped eating.
There are many many camps out there, a few people reporting what they've seen doesn't turn it into "rampant disregard for basic Kashrus precautions".
How many yeshivos/camps do you know that actually have a hechsher? Have you ever seen a camp list their hechsher on an advertisement? Do you know anyone who didn't go to a camp/yeshiva bec. of kashrus standards? Does anybody ask about these standards? Is it anyway possible that if the answers to the above are negative ,that in many places you will have  "rampant disregard for basic Kashrus precautions"???
 The only universally true basic kashrus precaution I know of is customer demand . I think that unfortunately when it comes to Mosdos there is rampant disregard for this

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4891 on: July 27, 2023, 10:58:09 PM »
Yes.
Problem is that understanding is wrong :)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4892 on: July 27, 2023, 10:59:42 PM »
On the other hand, there is a good chance he does not realize how much such a system is needed. I was in a yeshiva where one day they served pizza from a sheet pan with hot dog marks on it. Once that happened the Rosh Yeshiva made sure the kitchen was kashered and set up a better system. Many people do not realize the importance of a proper system. Once the system is set up, let's say by AKO, then either way you would still be relying on eid echad.
You mean when he says “it’s kosher” he may not mean what your understanding of kosher entails?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4893 on: July 27, 2023, 11:01:10 PM »
Where?
Eid echad ne'eman b'issurin.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4894 on: July 27, 2023, 11:03:24 PM »
Eid echad ne'eman b'issurin.
Where are you getting this extension from? Is it your own sevarah?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4895 on: July 27, 2023, 11:04:03 PM »
You mean when he says “it’s kosher” he may not mean what your understanding of kosher entails?

Correct and he does not have a chezkas kashrus about that. Not your limitation on eid echad neeman that you need to ask him how he knows. As far as I can tell that is made up.
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I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4897 on: July 27, 2023, 11:06:16 PM »
Correct and he does not have a chezkas kashrus about that. Not your limitation on eid echad neeman that you need to ask him how he knows. As far as I can tell that is made up.
You made up that he doesn’t

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4898 on: July 27, 2023, 11:07:05 PM »
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4899 on: July 27, 2023, 11:07:11 PM »
You made up that he doesn’t
Okay so it is your svara that it is limited and you have no source for it?
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