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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4961 on: August 14, 2023, 10:44:37 AM »
https://www.chabad.org/jewish-centers/888369/Bat-Khefer/Synagogue/Chabad-Bat-Khefer


we had someone bring us back materna from israel. didn't even think we had to specify chalav yisroel. apparently he gives the hechsher on the chalav stam version.
if he's reliable we'll donate to a jewish gemach. if he isn't then we won't

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4962 on: August 14, 2023, 11:17:09 AM »
https://www.chabad.org/jewish-centers/888369/Bat-Khefer/Synagogue/Chabad-Bat-Khefer


we had someone bring us back materna from israel. didn't even think we had to specify chalav yisroel. apparently he gives the hechsher on the chalav stam version.
if he's reliable we'll donate to a jewish gemach. if he isn't then we won't

Can you post a picture?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4963 on: August 14, 2023, 02:28:59 PM »

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4964 on: August 14, 2023, 10:18:14 PM »
Compare to Rabbi Auerbach in this weeks Voice of Lakewood:


R’ Auerbach retracted his position about Starbucks in this week’s Voice after apparently learning the process had changed.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4965 on: August 14, 2023, 10:20:21 PM »
R’ Auerbach retracted his position about Starbucks in this week’s Voice after apparently learning the process had changed.
What has changed about it?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4966 on: August 14, 2023, 10:20:53 PM »
R’ Auerbach retracted his position about Starbucks in this week’s Voice after apparently learning the process had changed.
Pic?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4967 on: August 14, 2023, 10:22:44 PM »
Is Starbucks black coffee any different from the diners of old where everyone said you could buy coffee even though they sold trief?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4968 on: August 14, 2023, 10:27:12 PM »


https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/keeping-kosher/beverages/1142/knowing-your-beans-the-kashrus-of-coffee/

Compare this

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There are a number of issues to deal with when it comes to buying a cup of coffee in a shop or other non-kosher establishment. The first issue to address is the coffee itself. Plain black coffee can typically be ordered without too much of a problem. The one proviso is to make sure to get it in a paper cup.


And this

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Rabbi Moshe Heinemann, Rabbinic Administrator of the Star-K, is of the opinion that if the restaurant is known mainly for the traif, non-kosher, products it sells, McDonald’s, for example, then going into such a place would constitute marris ayin. An establishment like a coffee shop or highway rest stop that sells many kosher and non-kosher items and is not known for a particular traif product would not be problematic.

To this:
https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/6017/when-you-can-drink-and-drive-the-halachic-implications-of-drinking-coffee-on-the-road/

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Based on these facts and assumptions, the psak (halachic decision) should be that one is permitted to buy hot coffee only from vendors that he knows do not sell treif, or whose cleaning procedures do not impact the kashrus of the coffee. This is, indeed, STAR-K’s opinion on purchasing coffee from stores that sell treif items.

It's inconceivable that Starbucks is the first coffee shop ever to wash parts from the coffee brewer with trief.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4969 on: August 14, 2023, 10:30:00 PM »
R’ Auerbach retracted his position about Starbucks in this week’s Voice after apparently learning the process had changed.
I assume you mean you have inside information about an upcoming article?

He did not discuss it this past week.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4970 on: August 14, 2023, 11:58:15 PM »
What has changed about it?

See what @S209 posted a few posts up and watch the videos https://www.youtube.com/@crckosher or at least the introduction one.


https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/keeping-kosher/beverages/1142/knowing-your-beans-the-kashrus-of-coffee/

Compare this
 

And this

To this:
https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/6017/when-you-can-drink-and-drive-the-halachic-implications-of-drinking-coffee-on-the-road/

It's inconceivable that Starbucks is the first coffee shop ever to wash parts from the coffee brewer with trief.


Starbucks in Target for example, shares a dishwasher with Pizza Hut. they are probably the first coffee shop in history to systematically wash the brew basket with meat treif keilim. In fact, most coffee shops never wash the brew basket at home, other than a quick rinse. Definitely in those diners of old mentioned.
I drink a lot of coffee, and appreciate good coffee. there's no reason any frum yid shouldn't stick to the americanos and latte's a that are muttar, and not get involved with bedieveds. And its pashut to me that 7-11 or even possibly mcdonalds is a safer bet.
As far as Maaris Ayin, Rabbi Heineman is not the only major posek to feel that way. However, as with all maaris ayin, once everyone does it its not maaris ayin anymore (I acknowledge the oversimplification). But at a rest stop there would be substantial reason to be meikel as well, which is the Star-K's premise in 2019. In 2023 when every starbucks, including the kiosks, has hot treif meat, it's a whole different shaila.
Again, watch the videos and make your own judgment, but don't shoot from the hip, and heteirim from a year ago are no longer relevant

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4971 on: August 15, 2023, 12:10:22 AM »
I assume you mean you have inside information about an upcoming article?

He did not discuss it this past week.
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I don’t have it with me in the Berkshires but IIRC it is in this past week’s Voice.

ETA: Found it online in last week’s Voice



I thought I remembered a sharper retraction
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4972 on: August 15, 2023, 12:17:06 AM »
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I don’t have it with me in the Berkshires but IIRC it is in this past week’s Voice.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4973 on: August 15, 2023, 12:18:58 AM »
See what @S209 posted a few posts up and watch the videos https://www.youtube.com/@crckosher or at least the introduction one.
 
Starbucks in Target for example, shares a dishwasher with Pizza Hut. they are probably the first coffee shop in history to systematically wash the brew basket with meat treif keilim. In fact, most coffee shops never wash the brew basket at home, other than a quick rinse. Definitely in those diners of old mentioned.
I drink a lot of coffee, and appreciate good coffee. there's no reason any frum yid shouldn't stick to the americanos and latte's a that are muttar, and not get involved with bedieveds. And its pashut to me that 7-11 or even possibly mcdonalds is a safer bet.
They don’t use the same brew basket every day. Also, washing in the same dishwasher is far from certain that it become treif.
Why is this bdieved?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4974 on: August 15, 2023, 12:22:05 AM »
They don’t use the same brew basket every day. Also, washing in the same dishwasher is far from certain that it become treif.
Why is this bdieved?
See my edit, I added a picture
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4975 on: August 15, 2023, 12:35:59 AM »
They don’t use the same brew basket every day. Also, washing in the same dishwasher is far from certain that it become treif.
Why is this bdieved?
In your house do you use the same dishwasher for milchig and fleishig at the same time? And if you treif up a knife after 24 hours do you use it without kashering?
That's what I'm calling bdieved

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4976 on: August 15, 2023, 12:45:06 AM »
In your house do you use the same dishwasher for milchig and fleishig at the same time? And if you treif up a knife after 24 hours do you use it without kashering?
That's what I'm calling bdieved
I don’t get the comparison at all.
סתם כלים אינם בני יומן allows you to lchatchila purchase something cooked in an eino Ben yomo pot.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4977 on: August 15, 2023, 12:49:13 AM »

Very interesting. I don’t remember Rabbi Fishbane mentioning that they are starting to individually brew on demand. This eliminates any heter of סתם כלים as we run into an issue of בשל לי

This has always been an issue with decaf as often they don’t maintain brewed decaf in my experience.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4978 on: August 15, 2023, 12:52:05 AM »
I don’t get the comparison at all.
סתם כלים אינם בני יומן allows you to lchatchila purchase something cooked in an eino Ben yomo pot.
Listen, I don't want to argue with you or anyone. I'm a fan of an educated consumer. Read the article from rabbi auerbach, watch the crc videos. Give it the 45 minutes it takes. And then do what you want. I don't care. But recognize that if any hechsher would allow the standards you are considering lechatchila you would be the first to throw figurative stones.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #4979 on: August 15, 2023, 12:55:53 AM »
Read the article from rabbi auerbach, watch the crc videos. Give it the 45 minutes it takes.
Been there done that
But recognize that if any hechsher would allow the standards you are considering lechatchila you would be the first to throw figurative stones.
Hechsherim traditionally do not give hechsherim to things which aren’t 100% removed from issur, even if in din it’s מותר לכתחילה. This has nothing to do with the consumers ability to lechatchila consume something that, for example, contains issur which is battul bshishim.