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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)

You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread  (Read 818185 times)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5000 on: August 15, 2023, 11:51:35 AM »
Where is the source in Chazal?

There are a host of מר״מ saying to the contrary, and calling it similar to מינות.

See for example ערוך השלחן סימן קטז
בדבר שכל הפוסקים מתירים חלילה להחמיר על עצמו וזה נוטה למינות.

אג״מ יו״ד ד יד
במין באינו מינו שנבטל בששים אין להחמיר שאסור להחמיר בזה
(He allows to be machmir in other cases of bittul עיי״ש)
Stam Keilim is not the same as shishim
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5001 on: August 15, 2023, 11:53:55 AM »
Stam Keilim is not the same as shishim
True.
This was in regards to bitul. It is permitted to be machmir on a sfak sfeika. There is a chida somewhere about it.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5002 on: August 15, 2023, 12:17:09 PM »
יו״ד ב סימן מא
יו״ד ד, א אות ז
Looked at these. Bottom line he's not pro saying that it's mutar based on bittul and pgam. I don't think you can be mechalek between a hashgocha and a rav making a public statement.

[quote author=imayid2 link=topic=16659.msg2738763#msg2738763 date=1692076957

אג״מ יו״ד ד יד
במין באינו מינו שנבטל בששים אין להחמיר שאסור להחמיר בזה
(He allows to be machmir in other cases of bittul עיי״ש)
[/quote]

Not seeing this here?

I do understand your point generally, but I question strongly if this is not בשל לי and if we can assume אינן בן יומן In Starbucks

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5003 on: August 15, 2023, 12:24:19 PM »
Looked at these. Bottom line he's not pro saying that it's mutar based on bittul and pgam. I don't think you can be mechalek between a hashgocha and a rav making a public statement.
So you would disagree with the COR on this I suppose?
Even if so, there is no reason to issue a public statement to the contrary.
Not seeing this here?
Page 183 left column
I do understand your point generally, but I question strongly if this is not בשל לי and if we can assume אינן בן יומן In Starbucks
Why?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5004 on: August 15, 2023, 12:30:10 PM »
Why?
Presumably it can be included in the Noda Biyehuda about coffee houses. You mentioned that they don't always use the same basket every day but that may not be a safe hashakul to include with the shema pogem b'ein.
I am speculating since I didn't research this.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5005 on: August 15, 2023, 12:36:52 PM »
Presumably it can be included in the Noda Biyehuda about coffee houses. You mentioned that they don't always use the same basket every day but that may not be a safe hashakul to include with the shema pogem b'ein.
I am speculating since I didn't research this.
There are many more sfeikos to add to it
Here is Rabbi Tsvi Heber




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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5006 on: August 15, 2023, 12:37:05 PM »


So you would disagree with the COR on this I suppose?
Even if so, there is no reason to issue a public statement to the contrary.Page 183 left columnWhy?

Regarding COR, yes I would disagree. The crc policy on sherry casks, as I recall hearing from rabbi Akiva Niehaus years ago, would be more like I'm saying, events and official policy ate more stringent than what he would tell you in practice.

Maareh makom, thank you. I need to understand why then it's a דבר מכוער
Public statement would be needed if there were other public statements to the contrary. People would want to know the metzius.

Needs me biur to me. But I understand your position, although my regesh remains the same

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5007 on: August 15, 2023, 12:42:56 PM »
There are many more sfeikos to add to it
Here is Rabbi Tsvi Heber




To your point, there's possibly presumably הגעלה with the previous pots brewed

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5008 on: August 18, 2023, 01:15:45 AM »



If all kosher certifications would list their standards like this one it would help everyone.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5009 on: August 18, 2023, 07:06:29 AM »

If all kosher certifications would list their standards like this one it would help everyone.
This is great!
I'm sure that if you (and others) asked your local Hashgacha to replicate this, they would consider if this is what the people want. They just need to made aware!

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5010 on: August 18, 2023, 09:22:11 AM »

If all kosher certifications would list their standards like this one it would help everyone.
@moko  what are your thoughts, is this practical?

Im not familiar at all with vaad hakashurs if LV, but im curious of their other food establishments have a similar list of standards or only that this one specifically requested it.


For any restaurant with a proper hashgocha, each mashgiach should be able to provide that type of info. Sometimes, when asked, they just look with a blank stare.



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5011 on: August 18, 2023, 10:09:25 AM »

If all kosher certifications would list their standards like this one it would help everyone.

Many Rabbanuts in Israel do this. Doesn't make them any more or less reliable.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5012 on: August 18, 2023, 10:25:46 AM »
Many Rabbanuts in Israel do this. Doesn't make them any more or less reliable.
There are 2 components of Hashgacha, a) the standards they dictate, b) how well they are implemented. (שופטים ושוטרים)

Having a certificate stating their standards is only half of the story- you need to ascertain how well the mashgichim are on top of implementing these standards. The latter is the strong point of some of the larger national hashgachos; the former of some of the more boutique smaller ones.

Don't know anything about LV Kosher, but the certificate in itself is only as good as the personel implementing the rules
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5013 on: August 18, 2023, 10:29:27 AM »
I know nothing about LVK either, but there's that Gemara where the donkey seller assures the buyer that he can take it up to mountains and down hills for test driving.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5014 on: August 18, 2023, 10:37:04 AM »
One other point about this specific eatery- They have a treif store right next door (CMIIW I believe it is also called chinglish). The mashgiach has to be super on top of his game to ensure that there are no mix-ups between the two stores, בשוגג או במזיד.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5015 on: August 20, 2023, 12:51:03 AM »
Re the Las Vegas letter:
Is the nichnas veyotzei guy coming because they don't trust the mashgiach temidi?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5016 on: August 20, 2023, 01:08:05 AM »
Re the Las Vegas letter:
Is the nichnas veyotzei guy coming because they don't trust the mashgiach temidi?
This is a standard and recommended  policy of many reliable hechsherim
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5017 on: August 20, 2023, 01:13:12 AM »
Ami this week with Rabbi Fishbane on Starbucks coffee.
If you ever bought there, I'd encourage you to read.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5018 on: August 20, 2023, 01:13:51 AM »
Ami this week with Rabbi Fishbane on Starbucks coffee.
If you ever bought there, I'd encourage you to read.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5019 on: August 20, 2023, 09:09:42 AM »
Re the Las Vegas letter:
Is the nichnas veyotzei guy coming because they don't trust the mashgiach temidi?

Do you ask this about every hierarchy that exists in virtually every industry?