Topic Wiki

Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread  (Read 1228848 times)

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6680 on: July 19, 2024, 02:51:41 PM »
Also, I wonder how many of the shechted animals are actual treifus or are treifus l’chumra.
Enough are vadai to make it impossible

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6681 on: July 19, 2024, 02:54:08 PM »
Also, I wonder how many of the shechted animals are actual treifus or are treifus l’chumra.

We know that there are and were treifos that were miut hamotzui.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6682 on: July 19, 2024, 03:09:45 PM »
We know that there are and were treifos that were miut hamotzui.
We do not know and it’s not explicitly noted, how much many cows can be mixed at once.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6683 on: July 19, 2024, 03:10:11 PM »
“Good reason to believe” isn’t the same as being explicit. So yes, everyone agrees that’s strange it hasn’t been touched upon and indications are it was always done.

 Nevertheless the reasoning is critical to know if various factor may make a difference.



Note that there are a number of large herds of cows that are well documented in tanach and the gemara with some in the thousands.

I am all for the sticklach torah about it.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6684 on: July 19, 2024, 03:10:48 PM »
We do not know and it’s not explicitly noted, how much many cows can be mixed at once.

that tells you something.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6685 on: July 19, 2024, 03:11:14 PM »
Note that there are a number of large herds of cows that are well documented in tanach and the gemara with some in the thousands.

I am all for the sticklach torah about it.
And it says you can milk them all at once and mix it together?

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6686 on: July 19, 2024, 03:13:31 PM »
that tells you something.
It remains a mystery what is going on and it requires explanation.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6687 on: July 19, 2024, 03:59:18 PM »
And it says you can milk them all at once and mix it together?
There are definitely cases discussed of large taaruvos of eggs.

Once you get to goat and sheep milk and derivatives the herd sizes get much larger and it becomes more obvious that they mixed.

Either way, if there was a problem with doing so then it should have been discussed somewhere.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline jye

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Gold Elite
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2017
  • Posts: 878
  • Total likes: 1357
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6688 on: July 19, 2024, 04:22:21 PM »
Somewhat related  is a fascinating רשב״א on חולין דף ט wheee he discusses the חיוב בדיקת הריאה and the מחלוקת between רש״י ורבותיו if the ריאה was lost is the animal אסור.  His רבותיו held that the animal is אסור to which Rashi asked them אתמול אכלנו מחלבה ועכשיו נחזיק אותה בטריפה?

His רבותיו answered that חלב is a חידוש since the תורה was מתיר it בפירוש to which רש״י vehemently disagreed and held that נאבדה הריאה must necessarily be מותר since the milk is מותר.

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6689 on: July 19, 2024, 04:45:31 PM »
There are definitely cases discussed of large taaruvos of eggs.
That is a different dynamic because you don’t consume all the eggs at once.

Offline yungermanchik

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Nov 2018
  • Posts: 3012
  • Total likes: 2473
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: Previous Signatures: If you chapped hana'ah from a post, like it; You think you know the answers and things are the way they seem.. it just ain't so -The Rebbe from Lublin-
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6690 on: July 19, 2024, 04:45:55 PM »
@imayid2 did you have a look at the ספר that R' @moko referenced earlier?
see especially the 19th chapter
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6691 on: July 19, 2024, 04:46:45 PM »
That is a different dynamic because you don’t consume all the eggs at once.
Yes but it is also not batel
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6692 on: July 19, 2024, 04:47:39 PM »
@imayid2 did you have a look at the ספר that R' @moko referenced earlier?
see especially the 19th chapter
Will try to borrow it and take a look. Thanks for the reference.

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6693 on: July 19, 2024, 04:56:05 PM »
Yes but it is also not batel
But wouldn’t be a problem once they were porash from the farm. Not sure which case you’re referring to specifically where it’s explicit about large egg farms. (Your point is the same as what Jye pointed out regarding large vats.)

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6694 on: July 19, 2024, 05:22:43 PM »


But wouldn’t be a problem once they were porash from the farm.

Not if it was in the bundle and not at all simple even if it wasn't.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6695 on: July 19, 2024, 05:23:54 PM »


Not sure which case you’re referring to specifically where it’s explicit about large egg farms. (Your point is the same as what Jye pointed out regarding large vats.)
There are a number of cases discussed of taaruvos of large numbers of eggs.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6696 on: July 19, 2024, 05:28:41 PM »
There are a number of cases discussed of taaruvos of large numbers of eggs.
Hard to hang your hat solely on these types of indicators. There needs to be a working explanation why these types of cases aren’t a problem.

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6697 on: July 19, 2024, 05:29:50 PM »
Not if it was in the bundle and not at all simple even if it wasn't.
I’m not sure what you mean

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 19528
  • Total likes: 16003
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6698 on: July 19, 2024, 05:31:00 PM »
Hard to hang your hat solely on these types of indicators. There needs to be a working explanation why these types of cases aren’t a problem.
Quote from every single tumult ever
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline imayid2

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2022
  • Posts: 2845
  • Total likes: 2617
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6699 on: July 19, 2024, 05:31:40 PM »
Quote from every single tumult ever
This isn’t a working explanation.