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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread  (Read 1228754 times)

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6700 on: July 19, 2024, 05:35:37 PM »
I’m not sure what you mean
Sorry I can't go into all the points of siman110 now but your generalization is wrong.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6701 on: July 19, 2024, 05:38:27 PM »
Sorry I can't go into all the points of siman110 now but your generalization is wrong.
Every rule has exceptions. Your generalization about egg farms was incorrect.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6702 on: July 19, 2024, 06:12:14 PM »
Every rule has exceptions. Your generalization about egg farms was incorrect.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6704 on: July 19, 2024, 06:26:38 PM »
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Listen if you want to make it about who can use someone else's words to say a Zug back at him and then we can just end the conversation cuz I'm not interested in playing that childish game
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6705 on: July 20, 2024, 11:12:45 PM »
Bchlal, the whole question from the eggs is faulty. There is no difference between eggs on a large farm or a single egg somewhere else where we don't say that since there is a treifa somewhere in the world so all eggs are assur. Clearly there is no nikva issura built from a miut dliesa kaman.

The milk is totally different because you are drinking from all the cows at once.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6706 on: July 21, 2024, 01:04:35 AM »
I always thought that R’ Shachter’s chumra was strictly because of DA cows. Not just relying on statistics in the world. (After hearing that shiur quoted upthread it seems to be more of a general problem though). The answer that most (of the people I’ve discussed this with), was that on cholov yisroel farms there are no DA cows (whereas R’ Shachter felt that you need to rechen all the dairy cows in the world). The difference now being, if there is vadai traifa giving milk or only relying on a chazaka. But like @aygart wrote,
Sorry I can't go into all the points of siman110 now

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6707 on: July 21, 2024, 03:28:06 PM »
Rabbi Shraga Kallus
Chalav Akum 2 - Is All The Milk Today Treif?

Video https://MyTAT.me/v278117

@about 39:30

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6708 on: July 21, 2024, 11:58:12 PM »
Rabbi Shraga Kallus
Chalav Akum 2 - Is All The Milk Today Treif?

Video https://MyTAT.me/v278117

@about 39:30

Nice find!
He does your entire back and forth (but in a lighthearted fashion ;) ), stresses on the statistical impossibility to have non chalav treifa, but concludes with the obvious answer, we don't need to look at the entire milk mix, we can pasken on every individual cow that it produces kosher milk, so we now we have a mix of 100% kosher paskened milk. 

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6709 on: July 22, 2024, 09:53:12 AM »
Nice find!
He does your entire back and forth (but in a lighthearted fashion ;) ), stresses on the statistical impossibility to have non chalav treifa
Thankfully, he isn’t contemptuous and derisive of the valid points in a big bad “tumult” ;)

but concludes with the obvious answer, we don't need to look at the entire milk mix, we can pasken on every individual cow that it produces kosher milk, so we now we have a mix of 100% kosher paskened milk. 
Obvious my foot ::)

If after the animals in the market were sold a lung was discovered to be a treifa they may be eaten because of כל דפריש.

If somehow all that meat ends up in one location, and I now know that there is certainly meat here which is treif, would we not recalibrate even though every individual piece already received it’s “psak”?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6710 on: July 22, 2024, 10:30:58 AM »
No
Thankfully, he isn’t contemptuous and derisive of the valid points in a big bad “tumult” ;)
Obvious my foot ::)

If after the animals in the market were sold a lung was discovered to be a treifa they may be eaten because of כל דפריש.

If somehow all that meat ends up in one location, and I now know that there is certainly meat here which is treif, would we not recalibrate even though every individual piece already received it’s “psak”?
no we wouldn’t.
Sorry I can't go into all the points of siman110 now but your generalization is wrong.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6711 on: July 22, 2024, 10:59:24 AM »
Obvious my foot ::)

If after the animals in the market were sold a lung was discovered to be a treifa they may be eaten because of כל דפריש.

If somehow all that meat ends up in one location, and I now know that there is certainly meat here which is treif, would we not recalibrate even though every individual piece already received it’s “psak”?

After shechting there is a chiyuv to check, absent that, אה״נ it would be muttar to eat them all at once. Finding a lung which is treifa is a total different story with a fundamental difference.   

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6712 on: July 22, 2024, 11:27:48 AM »
ודאי מותר הוא וכדאיתא בסי' פ"א ס"ב וברמ"א שם וכן הוא דרך החולבים לערב בכלי א' כדאיתא בכו"פ שם ואידך פירושא ותו לא מידי

I am all for various stiklach torah on the why. I have some thoughts but not developed enough to post as of now.
 
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6713 on: July 22, 2024, 02:26:16 PM »
No no we wouldn’t.
Wrong. It would be prohibited to eat them all at once since we know the issur is there.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6714 on: July 22, 2024, 02:27:50 PM »
After shechting there is a chiyuv to check, absent that, אה״נ it would be muttar to eat them all at once. Finding a lung which is treifa is a total different story with a fundamental difference.
This is your own theory which ignores the metzius, nothing to do with R Kallus.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6715 on: July 22, 2024, 02:28:31 PM »
ודאי מותר הוא וכדאיתא בסי' פ"א ס"ב וברמ"א שם וכן הוא דרך החולבים לערב בכלי א' כדאיתא בכו"פ שם ואידך פירושא ותו לא מידי
What is the threshold?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6716 on: July 22, 2024, 03:01:55 PM »
What is the threshold?

If you have a source for a difference between .9987 and above that or that herd size stopped at the magical number of 60 then let us know.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6717 on: July 22, 2024, 03:05:17 PM »
If you have a source for a difference between .9987 and above that or that herd size stopped at the magical number of 60 then let us know.
Are you denying that at some point a remote possibility is considered impossible? Can one swear there is a treifa at some point?

If yes what is that point?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6718 on: July 22, 2024, 03:09:13 PM »
This is your own theory which ignores the metzius, nothing to do with R Kallus.


Why would it only be נקבע בזמן משנה for treifus and not for the chazaka ?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #6719 on: July 22, 2024, 03:09:59 PM »


Why would it only be נקבע בזמן משנה for treifus and not for the chazaka ?
I don’t understand your question, Chazaka never tells us anything that we have a knowledge otherwise.