Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[aygart]

Are you denying that at some point a remote possibility is considered impossible? Can one swear there is a treifa at some point?

If yes what is that point?

If you think there is a point at which halacha differentiates, then you are free to let us know and tell us how you reached that conclusion.

All the more so in the case discussed here
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1486&st=&pgnum=66&hilite=

[imayid2]

If you think there is a point at which halacha differentiates, then you are free to let us know and tell us how you reached that conclusion.

All the more so in the case discussed here
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1486&st=&pgnum=66&hilite=

Again, you think that at no point does a remote possibility turn into an impossibility in Halacha? You can be mechalel Shabbos for a .0000000000000000001 chance of פיקוח נפש?

[EliJelly]

This is your own theory which ignores the metzius, nothing to do with R Kallus.

Look, you have no understanding of Rav Kallus's reasoning since you equate it with a treif lung found. The way I understand his argument is that we don't change the הנהגה of רוב which gave us the earlier psak for each individual, only when we "see" a ריעותא קמן which then we have to recalibrate that for the new תערובות which now contains a ודאי איסורא we saw with our eyes. As long we don't see a treif lung or any other ריעותא קמן, even if the statistic would force upon us such a metzuis, it's still not enough to force us to revoke the earlier psak of רוב.

[imayid2]

Look, you have no understanding of Rav Kallus's reasoning since you equate it with a treif lung found. The way I understand his argument is that we don't change the הנהגה of רוב which gave us the earlier psak for each individual, only when we "see" a ריעותא קמן which then we have to recalibrate that for the new תערובות which now contains a ודאי איסורא we saw with our eyes. As long we don't see a treif lung or any other ריעותא קמן, even if the statistic would force upon us such a metzuis, it's still not enough to force us to revoke the earlier psak of רוב.

No sir. It is you who isn’t understanding 
He clearly says that rov can’t counter a metzius. A metzius is certainly not less worthy than a ריעותא קמו . His solution is that “it was already paskened”, to which I raised a question from a treif lung.

[EliJelly]

No sir. It is you who isn’t understanding 
He clearly says that rov can’t counter a metzius. His solution is that “it was already paskened”, to which I raised a question from a treif lung.

I'm just not as quick as you to label him an am haaretz, hence my reasoning to explain his argument. 

[imayid2]

I'm just not as quick as you to label him an am haaretz, hence my reasoning to explain his argument. 

Lol

[moko]

I don’t understand your question, Chazaka never tells us anything that we have a knowledge otherwise.

statistics≠proven fact

[imayid2]

statistics≠proven fact

Hard disagree. It is a proven fact that there is treifos at less than bitul in the milk. Many Gedolim who discuss this say you can make a שבועה דאורייתא to that effect and if you’d be mekadesh an isha Al tnai otherwise we would not be חושש לקידושין.

[aygart]

Many Gedolim who discuss this

Such as? Source?

[shulem92]

Wrong. It would be prohibited to eat them all at once since we know the issur is there.

who mentioned anything about drinking thousands of gallons of milk at once?

[imayid2]

Such as? Source?

See here

You can see some teshuvos about it here where they do go with that.
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=50299&st=&pgnum=106

(That mehalech should also allow us to “pasken” that the cows milked at chalav stam farms aren’t DA since most aren’t.)

Rav Asher Wiess

Rav Zalman Nechemia


Rabbi Kallus quoted something similar from Rav Elyashiv.

Not quite sure why you need a source for this. There are few things so certain in life.

1) Death
2) No bittul in the milk
3) Taxes

[imayid2]

who mentioned anything about drinking thousands of gallons of milk at once?

There is no difference between one cup of thousands of cows milk mixed together and drinking thousands of gallons.

[aygart]

See hereRav Asher Wiess

Rav Zalman Nechemia


Rabbi Kallus quoted something similar from Rav Elyashiv.

Not quite sure why you need a source for this. There are few things so certain in life.

1) Death
2) No bittul in the milk
3) Taxes

Oh metzius treifa as opposed to issue treifa. Okay that is fine.

[aygart]

Hard to hang your hat solely on these types of indicators.

No need to. Just that every yid in every part of the world drinks it and always has is more than enough. Even if it only goes back less than 100 years.

[aygart]

If after the animals in the market were sold a lung was discovered to be a treifa they may be eaten because of כל דפריש.

If somehow all that meat ends up in one location, and I now know that there is certainly meat here which is treif, would we not recalibrate even though every individual piece already received it’s “psak”?

We would not. Kovetz Shiurim Kesubos 37-40 from R' Chaim based on the gemara Zvachim 73b (also twice in Grach Stencil)

[yitzgar]

We would not. Kovetz Shiurim Kesubos 37-40 from R' Chaim based on the gemara Zvachim 73b (also twice in Grach Stencil)

Isn't this from the Rebbe Reb Heschel as quoted in Shev Shmaatsa?

[imayid2]

We would not. Kovetz Shiurim Kesubos 37-40 from R' Chaim based on the gemara Zvachim 73b (also twice in Grach Stencil)

On the road will look when I have a chance. To clarify, I'm not referring to it's status of kavua, rather if it has a status of taaruvos issur with regards to (but not necessarily limited to) eating them at once. The chavos daas (think #8) says clearly it is assur. Do the sources you quoted say otherwise?

[aygart]

Isn't this from the Rebbe Reb Heschel as quoted in Shev Shmaatsa?

Could be. This was where I remembered it from. Do you have an exact maare makom?

[imayid2]

No need to. Just that every yid in every part of the world drinks it and always has is more than enough. Even if it only goes back less than 100 years.

Isn’t that what people said about NYC water?

[aygart]

On the road will look when I have a chance. To clarify, I'm not referring to it's status of kavua, rather if it has a status of taaruvos issur with regards to (but not necessarily limited to) eating them at once. The chavos daas (think #8) says clearly it is assur. Do the sources you quoted say otherwise?

The gamara there is about being makriv all at once. The Rosh chulin 100a uses this to learn to taaruvos but we only go with that Rosh when there is hefsed.

My recollection about that CD is that it it's differentiating between the movement allowing bitul or a true parish but I may be getting confused since that is along the lines of R Chaim.