Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[yuneeq]

the frozen meat is all coming from the pretty much the same place in argentina.  it's the fresh meat that they do shechita on here, that you pay an arm and a leg for, and it's a very limited amount.  the brunt of what's relevant are the chickens, which they shecht here as well, and charge a heck of a lot for. 

as much as you might know about kashrus, you'd be mistaken to think the eida does business with the rabbinut.    no shot.

I don't see eida meat prices, but someone mentioned to me recently that its more expensive than others. I'm not arguing about chickens, so lets get past that.

About doing business with rabbanut, technically they already do some business with them, but probably not what you're referring to. Either way I never claimed that the eida does business with them, only that I'm sure that they aren't against it.

[yare]

Either way I never claimed that the eida does business with them, only that I'm sure that they aren't against it.

and that's where i'm telling you that you're mistaken.  they would never do business with them, certainly not in an official capacity.   

[yuneeq]

and that's where i'm telling you that you're mistaken.  they would never do business with them, certainly not in an official capacity.

Your word against mine

[Drago]

One of my Israeli neighbors used to do work for the Rabbanut, but I'm not certain in which capacity.
If I could convince him to spend some time with us by my house, would anyone be interested in coming? I live close to Yerushalayim w/ great bus service.

[yuneeq]

One of my Israeli neighbors used to do work for the Rabbanut, but I'm not certain in which capacity.
If I could convince him to spend some time with us by my house, would anyone be interested in coming? I live close to Yerushalayim w/ great bus service.

Not really interested in traveling out of town. Nor too interested in speaking to just some random mashgiach.

I still stand by my offer to ask spira if enough people confirm interest.

[Drago]

Not really interested in traveling out of town. I would ask spira if enough people confirm interest.

It's a 25 min bus ride from shmuel hanavi
It would be interesting to hear from s/o who has actually worked at the rabbanut, and this Rabbi is a really good guy to speak with.

[yuneeq]

It's a 25 min bus ride from shmuel hanavi
It would be interesting to hear from s/o who has actually worked at the rabbanut, and this Rabbi is a really good guy to speak with.

There are plenty of great rabbis from the rabbanut in Jerusalem that we can speak to.

[L'Chaim]

There are plenty of great rabbis from the rabbanut in Jerusalem that we can speak to.

Not really interested in traveling out of town. Nor too interested in speaking to just some random mashgiach.

I still stand by my offer to ask spira if enough people confirm interest.

Why are you being so negative about Drago's suggestion?
Please show some more respect to other members and suggestions other than yours.
 

[yuneeq]

Why are you being so negative about Drago's suggestion?
Please show some more respect to other members and suggestions other than yours.

I can't travel out of town. Why you getting so bent?

Either way, no one expressed interest in either of our suggestions, so as of now its a no go.

[Drago]

I can't travel out of town. Why you getting so bent?

Either way, no one expressed interest in either of our suggestions, so as of now its a no go.

I'd be up for mtg again w/ Yechiel.
But let's give ppl more than an hr b/f reaching conclusions about their interest.
And perhaps cross post this in the DO thread since more ppl will see it there.

[yuneeq]

I'd be up for mtg again w/ Yechiel.
But let's give ppl more than an hr b/f reaching conclusions about their interest.
And perhaps cross post this in the DO thread since more ppl will see it there.

You're right. Funny, I was just in middle of searching for the DO thread to cross post.

ETA: DONE

[Chaikel]

I believe dealer is certified by the Rabbanute. We can ask him to sponsor a DO

[yare]

Your word against mine

heh, that sums up about 99.9% of disagreements on the forums.   

so, lets take it to the next level, what are you basing your word on in this case? 

[yuneeq]

heh, that sums up about 99.9% of disagreements on the forums.   

so, lets take it to the next level, what are you basing your word on in this case?

I should rephrase it as my "opinion" against yours.

First of all, even with all the mud-slinging from one kashrus agency to the next, it's a known thing that most kashrus agencies work with one another at the end of the day, as long as they're both orthodox. That includes both Eida and Rabbanut.

Second, I have simply never heard of an Eida embargo against being in contact or doing business with Rabbanut.  I can understand the Eida not relying on Rabbanut, even if they were so bold to consider Rabbanut 100% unreliable. But not doing business with the Rabbanut is a completely different story. There is absolutely no reason for it, nor any gain. It sounds childish to me that the Eida would put Rabbanut in a so-called cherem. If, for some reason you believe that there is such an unspoken embargo, continue to the next point.

Third, when Eida is hired in an establishment in addition to Rabbanut, they are technically working with each other. They don't mind using the rabbanut mashgiach if he's reliable, and they split the payments to the mashgiach. That is already considered doing business with one another.

Fourth, the Eida is a for-profit hechsher. If they could make more money by selling stuff to the Rabbanut, they would.

[moish]

um, they wouldnt do business with the rabbanut because of their ideology, not a typical case of one kashrus agency vs another. like i said, have you just arrived?

[972sg212]

One of my Israeli neighbors used to do work for the Rabbanut, but I'm not certain in which capacity.
If I could convince him to spend some time with us by my house, would anyone be interested in coming? I live close to Yerushalayim w/ great bus service.

I'm in

[PlatinumGuy]

um, they wouldnt do business with the rabbanut because of their ideology, not a typical case of one kashrus agency vs another. like i said, have you just arrived?

-1000


You think if you steal from them they won't use the courts? Ideology is until the wallet is affected.

[moish]

-1000


You think if you steal from them they won't use the courts? Ideology is until the wallet is affected.

not a good comparison.

[yuneeq]

um, they wouldnt do business with the rabbanut because of their ideology, not a typical case of one kashrus agency vs another. like i said, have you just arrived?

Try to refute what I actually wrote. Ad hoc attacks seem to be your running strategy. Read point 3 again. You could also try answering platinum guy's comment with something more than a little hot air.

Additionally, you seem to be mixing the Eida with the neturei karta. They have some similarities though they obviously aren't one and the same.

[moish]

Try to refute what I actually wrote. Ad hoc attacks seem to be your running strategy. Read point 3 again.

it actually was a direct respose to your points. was point 3 the only one you wrote?