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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 11:53:21 AM »
Not 100% sure, but I know of a few people that had the laser method done right in the beginning when they came out and they were back to glasses within a few years.
That could be because of many other reasons other then the Surgery, for example if they did the surgery while their perscrition was not stable. And I also heard that with Lasik your perscrition doesn't have to be stable and after the surgery it can't go up.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 11:55:01 AM »
That could be because of many other reasons other then the Surgery, for example if they did the surgery while their perscrition was not stable. And I also heard that with Lasik your perscrition doesn't have to be stable and after the surgery it can't go up.

I see myself getting lasik but perhaps in 10-15 years when there is enough data and testing.

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 11:55:36 AM »
@Name Changed - I'm not basing it on hear say, I consulted one of the top Israeli eye doctors, who does these kind of things himself. He told me its utter madness to do it. I wouldn't take a .001 chance of getting blind, when the sole return is the lack of necessity to wear glasses.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2012, 11:56:57 AM »
@Name Changed - I'm not basing it on hear say, I consulted one of the top Israeli eye doctors, who does these kind of things himself. He told me its utter madness to do it. I wouldn't take a .001 chance of getting blind, when the sole return is the lack of necessity to wear glasses.
I would guess that you take greater risks for less reward on a daily basis
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 11:57:12 AM »
@Name Changed - I'm not basing it on hear say, I consulted one of the top Israeli eye doctors, who does these kind of things himself. He told me its utter madness to do it. I wouldn't take a .001 chance of getting blind, when the sole return is the lack of necessity to wear glasses.
So why does he do it?

I would guess that you take greater risks for less reward on a daily basis
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 11:58:46 AM »
So why does he do it?
I think he meant he administers them
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 12:01:44 PM »
There is simply no such thing as no risk.  Anyone who says there's no risk is a nogeah b'davor or a fool.
It is surgery and all surgeries have risk.

There have been articles in the various papers about complications from Lasik (double vision, poor night vision) where pilots have been forced out of a job, etc.
It's basically a cosmetic surgery and although the risks are small, they are definitely there.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 12:18:38 PM »
I think he meant he administers them
Correct. There are of course case when the return is a lot greater.
I would guess that you take greater risks for less reward on a daily basis
I don't believe I take a greater risk.
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-Theres a difference between doing things  of common practice & venturing to unneeded risk.
-Risk when driving is determined also by my capabilites. (Not the best apparently)
-The return driving provides is a lot greater.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 01:40:40 PM »
@PlatinumGuy

It really all depends on what your glasses prescription  is to factor in how worthy the risk is.

I happen to wear contact lenses. I remember the feeling years ago when I went from glasses to contacts, how I felt as if my vision was corrected.

There still is a lot of downsides, that I cant see without glasses or contacts, my eyes get irritated (allergy season)

There deff are a lot of benefits of Lasik. No one is saying there is no risk. But things we do daily involve some sort of risk.

Driving a car is a risk, no matter how safe of driver you are.



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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2012, 01:43:32 PM »
Driving a car, at least for 99% of people, is a need.
Not wanting to wear glasses/contacts is just that, a want.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2012, 01:53:47 PM »
Driving a car, at least for 99% of people, is a need.
Not wanting to wear glasses/contacts is just that, a want.
Valid point

Basically the argument is, is there worth a risk for something that is not a necessity.

I was just throwing in driving a car an a simple example ... But either way there are loads of things that aren't necessities ... going on a roller coaster, or many of the many other things that people do daily - txting while driving ...

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2012, 03:29:33 PM »
Valid point

Basically the argument is, is there worth a risk for something that is not a necessity.

I was just throwing in driving a car an a simple example ... But either way there are loads of things that aren't necessities ... going on a roller coaster, or many of the many other things that people do daily - txting while driving ...

#Whatever

Texting while driving is an idiocy (and ppl who do it are simply deluding themselves that they are simply more capable.)
If the risk of dying on a roller coaster were 1/100th the risk ppl take for lasik, cedar point would have closed long ago. (1 in 300 million)

If these represented the risk of Lasik no one would wear glasses any more. Unfortunately it is inherently riskier. As Dan says all surgery comes with risk (or as Rumplestiltskin would say "all Magic comes with a price").

The problem is it is quite difficult to define the success of a surgery. However according to some statistics the lasik has adverse effects on as many as 20% of recipients:
http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/
http://lifeafterlasik.com/LASIK%20Morris%20Waxler%20ltr%204152010.pdf

The lasik surgeons unfortunately (for us, fortunately for their pocketbooks) don't consider night glare, and halos to be an unssuccesful surgery... Yeah enjoy getting a cab from 7pm-5am, for me I will stick with my glasses, they treat me pretty well.

Side note, the ppl that Lasik is really beneficial for are ppl whose vision cannot be corrected by simple lenses.

On another note, if someone invented a box ppl could put around their heart to avoid the need for cardiovascular surgery, they would be hailed a hero...thats what glasses are for the eyes!

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2012, 05:54:32 PM »
Don't know if you're asking opinions too, but its beyond me why someone would risk being blind for life when the return is simply not having to wear glasses.

I meant lasik, not laser

1. Its extremely rare for someone to go blind....not only that but they do one eye at a time, so it would be pretty hard to mess up on both should the worst case scenario happen. I know some people dont get perfect eyesight, but never heard of someone actually blinded.

2. It can save people money. If you no longer buy glasses or contacts every year that adds up to alot more then you spend on the surgery.

3. If you have a high perscription you are essentially blind without glasses. I have 450 each eye and I cant see the alarm clock in bed, I cant see at the pool ect. I cant imagine people that have higher numbers.

4. Its more comfortable without glasses for some people.

5. Its for sure not a need, but it can be extremely convenient.



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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2012, 06:20:18 PM »
@Lala, I have over 7 on each eye.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2012, 07:44:52 PM »
I was at the eye doctor this past Thursday and he was discussing it with me...
He said the risk is a old thing...
I am not trying to convince anyone into it at all, but to call it a risk of becoming blind is basically if you are basing it on what you hear 10 years ago is an uneducated statement.


You weren't by any chance at Moshe Rothkopf's office?