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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 11:58:46 AM »
So why does he do it?
I think he meant he administers them
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 12:01:44 PM »
There is simply no such thing as no risk.  Anyone who says there's no risk is a nogeah b'davor or a fool.
It is surgery and all surgeries have risk.

There have been articles in the various papers about complications from Lasik (double vision, poor night vision) where pilots have been forced out of a job, etc.
It's basically a cosmetic surgery and although the risks are small, they are definitely there.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 12:18:38 PM »
I think he meant he administers them
Correct. There are of course case when the return is a lot greater.
I would guess that you take greater risks for less reward on a daily basis
I don't believe I take a greater risk.
+1 Like driving a car.
-Theres a difference between doing things  of common practice & venturing to unneeded risk.
-Risk when driving is determined also by my capabilites. (Not the best apparently)
-The return driving provides is a lot greater.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 01:40:40 PM »
@PlatinumGuy

It really all depends on what your glasses prescription  is to factor in how worthy the risk is.

I happen to wear contact lenses. I remember the feeling years ago when I went from glasses to contacts, how I felt as if my vision was corrected.

There still is a lot of downsides, that I cant see without glasses or contacts, my eyes get irritated (allergy season)

There deff are a lot of benefits of Lasik. No one is saying there is no risk. But things we do daily involve some sort of risk.

Driving a car is a risk, no matter how safe of driver you are.



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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2012, 01:43:32 PM »
Driving a car, at least for 99% of people, is a need.
Not wanting to wear glasses/contacts is just that, a want.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2012, 01:53:47 PM »
Driving a car, at least for 99% of people, is a need.
Not wanting to wear glasses/contacts is just that, a want.
Valid point

Basically the argument is, is there worth a risk for something that is not a necessity.

I was just throwing in driving a car an a simple example ... But either way there are loads of things that aren't necessities ... going on a roller coaster, or many of the many other things that people do daily - txting while driving ...

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2012, 03:29:33 PM »
Valid point

Basically the argument is, is there worth a risk for something that is not a necessity.

I was just throwing in driving a car an a simple example ... But either way there are loads of things that aren't necessities ... going on a roller coaster, or many of the many other things that people do daily - txting while driving ...

#Whatever

Texting while driving is an idiocy (and ppl who do it are simply deluding themselves that they are simply more capable.)
If the risk of dying on a roller coaster were 1/100th the risk ppl take for lasik, cedar point would have closed long ago. (1 in 300 million)

If these represented the risk of Lasik no one would wear glasses any more. Unfortunately it is inherently riskier. As Dan says all surgery comes with risk (or as Rumplestiltskin would say "all Magic comes with a price").

The problem is it is quite difficult to define the success of a surgery. However according to some statistics the lasik has adverse effects on as many as 20% of recipients:
http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/
http://lifeafterlasik.com/LASIK%20Morris%20Waxler%20ltr%204152010.pdf

The lasik surgeons unfortunately (for us, fortunately for their pocketbooks) don't consider night glare, and halos to be an unssuccesful surgery... Yeah enjoy getting a cab from 7pm-5am, for me I will stick with my glasses, they treat me pretty well.

Side note, the ppl that Lasik is really beneficial for are ppl whose vision cannot be corrected by simple lenses.

On another note, if someone invented a box ppl could put around their heart to avoid the need for cardiovascular surgery, they would be hailed a hero...thats what glasses are for the eyes!

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2012, 05:54:32 PM »
Don't know if you're asking opinions too, but its beyond me why someone would risk being blind for life when the return is simply not having to wear glasses.

I meant lasik, not laser

1. Its extremely rare for someone to go blind....not only that but they do one eye at a time, so it would be pretty hard to mess up on both should the worst case scenario happen. I know some people dont get perfect eyesight, but never heard of someone actually blinded.

2. It can save people money. If you no longer buy glasses or contacts every year that adds up to alot more then you spend on the surgery.

3. If you have a high perscription you are essentially blind without glasses. I have 450 each eye and I cant see the alarm clock in bed, I cant see at the pool ect. I cant imagine people that have higher numbers.

4. Its more comfortable without glasses for some people.

5. Its for sure not a need, but it can be extremely convenient.



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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2012, 06:20:18 PM »
@Lala, I have over 7 on each eye.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2012, 07:44:52 PM »
I was at the eye doctor this past Thursday and he was discussing it with me...
He said the risk is a old thing...
I am not trying to convince anyone into it at all, but to call it a risk of becoming blind is basically if you are basing it on what you hear 10 years ago is an uneducated statement.


You weren't by any chance at Moshe Rothkopf's office?

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2012, 08:24:14 PM »
You weren't by any chance at Moshe Rothkopf's office?
Good Guess.

I was there ;)


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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2012, 09:20:09 PM »
Good Guess.

I was there ;)


The guy is sick how he tries to bainwash you. He almost made me feel guilty when I said I wasn't interested. He wanted to prove how i can't see anything without my glasses.
He had all the time in the world to try to convince me, but as soon as he saw that i wasn't biting, his attitude changed, he wasn't friendly, and had no more time.

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2012, 09:22:41 PM »
Disgusting.
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2012, 09:26:37 PM »
my son had it done by dr. david dalurasah, the one that is allways advertised on the radio, he was very succesful, he did it on both eyes at once, he recommends him highly,

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2012, 09:29:30 PM »
The guy is sick how he tries to bainwash you. He almost made me feel guilty when I said I wasn't interested. He wanted to prove how i can't see anything without my glasses.
He had all the time in the world to try to convince me, but as soon as he saw that i wasn't biting, his attitude changed, he wasn't friendly, and had no more time.
I happen to agree with you. He was trying to convince me... I told him I'm not interested... He then goes ahead and tried to convince my wife to convince me...

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2012, 09:34:33 PM »
I happen to agree with you. He was trying to convince me... I told him I'm not interested... He then goes ahead and tried to convince my wife to convince me...
He constantly stressed how i can't see when I go swimming, shower.

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2012, 09:40:14 PM »
Lol, what do you need to see in the shower exactly :D
And did he not hear of prescription swim goggles?
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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2012, 09:42:39 PM »
Lol, what do you need to see in the shower exactly :D
And did he not hear of prescription swim goggles?
Leave that up to him ;D

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2012, 10:34:40 PM »
Lol, what do you need to see in the shower exactly :D
And did he not hear of prescription swim goggles?

lol

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Re: Laser eye surgery
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2012, 10:36:56 PM »
Things have improved slightly since the middle ages