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I think there is a big misunderstanding what locked/unlocked means.

All phones that are made are always assigned to a carrier (yes even the ones that say "Factory GSM Unlocked") to prove that just look up the model of the phone and you will see what carrier it was assigned to.

In order for a phone to have service the company has to know that you want service on this phone.

In the past company's like Sprint and Verizon did not work with a sim card they worked with the id of the phone to recognize what kind of phone / what carrier it was assigned to. This is know as CDMA. Yet company's like att/t-mobile did that too but the service was applied by using a sim.

Once LTE came out for what ever reason all company switched to the "Sim technology". There is still one thing that did not change, each carrier has their assigned bands that they have from the FCC that they are allowed to use.

Being that there are standard bands that every one uses (for international or the like) these are included in every phone. So.... All verizon phones will work on att, BUT will only have the bands for slower internet since those are standard bands.

Now verizon's LTE band is NOT a standard nor is their CDMA a standard so an att or a t-mobile phone will NOT be able to accept a Verizon sim.

Now lets go to sprint phones,

All other company's when they had the phones made for them all they do is have it customized for its own use (Read: their own LTE bands). Sprint on the other hand not only did they have them customize it they put a lock in the software blocking all local USA bands (Verizon ATT and Tmobile).

They even go a step farther and they still do the old way of checking the device ID to see if its a sprint phone or not.

Hope this explains a few things feel free to ask any questions.

Att has an easy way to ask for an unlock https://att.com/deviceunlock

How to check a Sprint iPhone (only): You cannot check it with an american sim you must put in a foreign sim. You DO NOT have to backup and restore as sprint sends in the email! Connect to wifi before starting this procedure.

When you put the sim in one of 3 things will happen.
1. It will say no service in the top right corner = Unlocked
2. It will do a soft restart and ask you for your apple id password = Almost unlocked, after putting in the password its unlocked
3. It will do a soft restart and say "Sim not valid" = Phone is locked

If you got number 2. and you dont know the password just put in your old sim and all will return. When you find out the password repeat the steps.

Willmyphonework.net Can check if the phone will work
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #200 on: January 08, 2015, 12:13:54 AM »
IINM being that Sprint is CDMA it can not be used internationally

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #201 on: January 08, 2015, 12:14:31 AM »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #202 on: January 08, 2015, 12:22:42 AM »
Where can it be used?
Most phones today have a Sim card (hence GSM radios) to use intl

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #203 on: January 08, 2015, 12:26:28 AM »
Most phones today have a Sim card (hence GSM radios) to use intl
In other words it works like a radio station, intl works on FM and america works on AM. But both are radio frequencies.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #204 on: January 08, 2015, 07:50:16 PM »
Yes, I'd imagine so.
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #205 on: January 11, 2015, 04:05:38 PM »
Most phones today have a Sim card (hence GSM radios) to use intl
Sprint CSR told me they do not have GSM cards to use internationally.  Are you suggesting there is something built in that allows for Sprint international reception without a physical sim card?

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #206 on: January 11, 2015, 04:11:13 PM »
Sprint CSR told me they do not have GSM cards to use internationally.  Are you suggesting there is something built in that allows for Sprint international reception without a physical sim card?
there are some phones that are CDMA and GSM compatible not all are
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #207 on: January 11, 2015, 04:12:23 PM »
Sprint CSR told me they do not have GSM cards to use internationally.  Are you suggesting there is something built in that allows for Sprint international reception without a physical sim card?

I'm not sure you understand what's going on. Most (if not all) smartphones today, have a SIM card for LTE service. This SIM card can be swapped out for any local SIM card worldwide. (Sprint [once?] blocked non-sprint sim card while in the USA, but if you were in Europe/Israel, you can pop in any local sim card. Verizon is basically the same. (I'm not so particular/up-to-date with the rules here). My Verizon & Sprint are unlocked out of the box.

Another service that they offer, that you can use your phone with the SIM card that you use here in the states, you can use it worldwide and pay them the intl fee, VZW for example has 100MB/$25 - about $1-2 per minute talk etc, not sure about Sprint.

I'm sorry if it wasn't so clear.


ETA: Even on there dumb-phones, they have some intl agreements where you can use as CDMA, like Israel they have(had)with Pelephone, I was charged $.05 for incoming txt, $.50 for outgoing, $2.50 min/talk

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #208 on: January 11, 2015, 04:12:51 PM »
there are some phones that are CDMA and GSM compatible not all are

Most smartphones nowadays are, not sure about flip phones

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #209 on: January 11, 2015, 04:42:47 PM »
I'm not sure you understand what's going on. Most (if not all) smartphones today, have a SIM card for LTE service. This SIM card can be swapped out for any local SIM card worldwide. (Sprint [once?] blocked non-sprint sim card while in the USA, but if you were in Europe/Israel, you can pop in any local sim card. Verizon is basically the same. (I'm not so particular/up-to-date with the rules here). My Verizon & Sprint are unlocked out of the box.

Another service that they offer, that you can use your phone with the SIM card that you use here in the states, you can use it worldwide and pay them the intl fee, VZW for example has 100MB/$25 - about $1-2 per minute talk etc, not sure about Sprint.

I'm sorry if it wasn't so clear.


ETA: Even on there dumb-phones, they have some intl agreements where you can use as CDMA, like Israel they have(had)with Pelephone, I was charged $.05 for incoming txt, $.50 for outgoing, $2.50 min/talk
Had no idea that nonSIM card carriers (Sprint and Verizon) can work in Israel if unlocked!  CSRs never told me this.  I don't remember seeing a SIM card slot, though. 

ETA  Ahh.  I am thinking about older nonSmartphone phones.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #210 on: January 11, 2015, 04:43:19 PM »
Had no idea that nonSIM card carriers (Sprint and Verizon) can work in Israel if unlocked!  CSRs never told me this.  I don't remember seeing a SIM card slot, though.
Which phone do you have?

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #211 on: January 11, 2015, 04:49:43 PM »
I want to do the T-Mobile contract buyout deal so I wanted to get an ATT $1 contract phone to move over to them.  ATT requires a working line to port over to get the $1 contract deal. 

What is the cheapest nonATT company to get a phone number to port over?
(I was just about to start a new thread, but you asked me the question here)

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #212 on: January 11, 2015, 04:57:48 PM »
I want to do the T-Mobile contract buyout deal so I wanted to get an ATT $1 contract phone to move over to them.  ATT requires a working line to port over to get the $1 contract deal. 

What is the cheapest nonATT company to get a phone number to port over?
(I was just about to start a new thread, but you asked me the question here)
you need to prove the fees they charged for breaking the contract so you have no gain by creating a contract you need to break
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« Reply #213 on: January 11, 2015, 06:48:55 PM »
you need to prove the fees they charged for breaking the contract so you have no gain by creating a contract you need to break
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #214 on: January 11, 2015, 06:49:43 PM »
-1 I believe
They definitely say so when they advertise it
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #215 on: January 13, 2015, 09:41:35 AM »
I'm not sure you understand what's going on. Most (if not all) smartphones today, have a SIM card for LTE service. This SIM card can be swapped out for any local SIM card worldwide. (Sprint [once?] blocked non-sprint sim card while in the USA, but if you were in Europe/Israel, you can pop in any local sim card. Verizon is basically the same. (I'm not so particular/up-to-date with the rules here). My Verizon & Sprint are unlocked out of the box.

Another service that they offer, that you can use your phone with the SIM card that you use here in the states, you can use it worldwide and pay them the intl fee, VZW for example has 100MB/$25 - about $1-2 per minute talk etc, not sure about Sprint.

I'm sorry if it wasn't so clear.


ETA: Even on there dumb-phones, they have some intl agreements where you can use as CDMA, like Israel they have(had)with Pelephone, I was charged $.05 for incoming txt, $.50 for outgoing, $2.50 min/talk
Which sprint current smartphone is unlocked out of the box? AFAIK they are always locked.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #216 on: January 13, 2015, 12:22:25 PM »
Did anyone know the best way to unlock the Samsung t599?

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #217 on: January 18, 2015, 09:20:45 PM »
help im leaving to israel tomorrow, i have a golan sim but my cell is locked Galaxy s4 att any ideas for unlock code. im willing to pay. thanks

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #218 on: January 18, 2015, 09:53:48 PM »
help im leaving to israel tomorrow, i have a golan sim but my cell is locked Galaxy s4 att any ideas for unlock code. im willing to pay. thanks
Good luck with that I tried calling att tried calling Samsung but I couldn't get it unlocked.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #219 on: January 18, 2015, 10:00:52 PM »
help im leaving to israel tomorrow, i have a golan sim but my cell is locked Galaxy s4 att any ideas for unlock code. im willing to pay. thanks
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